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The Catholic Church

May 27th 2008 08:30
What seems to be the social norm these days is for everyone to have a go at organised religion, calling it the root of all evil and openly declaring one’s atheism like itself were a religion. But what our anti-religion friends forget to tell you, in between their unsubstantiated rants is the facts, and the facts are good.

Firstly, let us briefly examine the history of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church came into being around 40 A.D with the first Pope St.Peter it became legal around 400 A.D (following 400 years or rigorous persecution) with the reign of Emperor Constantine. The Church continued as the one branch of Catholicism up until 1000 with the first schism and then leading up to the reformation in the 1500’s. There have been no substantial break ups since the 1500’s. In that entire time, around 2000 years the Church has never changed its stance on any area of teaching, it has equivocally held up the same teachings for over 2000 years. Those teachings for the most part have been of peace and following the teachings of Jesus Christ, and since when was following Jesus’ example a bad thing?

The Church’s role over the last 100 years has been nothing but inspirational, and a close examination will reveal the hidden mysteries that the religion hating moguls don’t want you to see. In the 1940’s in Germany no organisation or group of people stood up to Hitler except one, and no it wasn’t a bunch of atheists it was the Catholic Church. Albert Einstein had this to say:

‘"Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty”

Isn’t is amazing how this fact is never publicised by those people?

Even in the last 25 years the Church has been the center of the criticism of horrendous governments, in the late 1980’s what was the organisation that stood up to communism in Poland? Who was the man who rang the Russian president and ordered him to withdraw his troops from Poland? It was not the U.S President, it was the Pope. No one else, stood up to be counted. The Pope had the courage, and he and the Church stood up for what it believed in. What I find ironic is the same people that insult the Church were the same people who were calling for communism in the 60s-80s.


You might not agree with all the Church’s teachings on AIDS, abortion, homosexuals and even faith. But the Church is the only organisation in the world that a 100% record when it comes to protecting the human race, think about that next time you hear a rant, who do you count on to defend your rights, the hateful atheist or the Church that has been protecting rights for over 2000 years?
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The Working Poor

May 26th 2008 11:01
Too often in our capitalistic society we hear the common upper class phrase “poor people should just work harder”, every time this horrendous muttering is spoken we as a society suffer as a result. It is not just about working harder, being poor does not mean you are lazy. Being poor means that our society has gone past you, its means that you have been disenfranchised by a society filled with a greedy and selfish nature. If this is news to you, and you still subjectively believe that ‘poor people should just work harder’, read these stories, with an objective mind.

It may comes as news to you but in the 1890’s, Australia suffered one of its worse economic recessions. Every single bank in Australia closed down and ceased to exist along with the money in its over filling coffers. Imagine if that happened today, if Westpac, Commonwealth, NAB and ANZ closed down along with your money. Imagine the rebellion and imagine the poverty. A man named James Butlin was 65 at the times of the collapse he built himself a fortune out of fruit selling and was retired. He was living his ‘golden years’ with wealth and affluence. But when the banks collapsed his money vanished, with no money or savings he could not afford to live. He was forced to sell his house. James at the age of 65 had to work the same job as he did when he was 13, shearing sheep. He went from the squatocracy to someone living on the street, shearing the occasional sheep, begging for money for survival. This is capitalism, this is our country.

In 2008, interest rates raised again for the tenth consecutive time. Tony Butlin, James’ great grandson works as a tire fitter, he is a member of the union. With the tenth rise, the house is repossessed by the banks, the locks are changed. He lives in his car, traveling the streets of suburbia hiding from the local ranger who will tell him to move on. He could be me, he could be you. This is capitalism, this is our country.

Many of us who work hard are rewarded, but in fact of the 100% that work hard only 2% control 50% of all the wealth. The rest of us that’s 98% are left to fight for the other 50%. How is that fair? We all work hard, and our reward is a dogfight till the death, trying to get our grubby hands on just a small slice of the wealth. And it’s going to get a whole lot worse, with the economic recession closing on us, more repossessions seem likely, more poverty seems likely. We need to band together, we know we work hard, we know we ALL work hard. Lets get our share, lets spread the wealth. Let 2% control 2% of the wealth, lets bring in the democratic socialisation of industry and banks. Lets fix this bloody country.
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Recently I posted an article named 'Socialism Is Not A Dirty Word By John Stirlingclick here to see the article. It has received both of praise and criticism. In this follow up I would like to rebut the arguments against socialism that were raised is comments and emails.

Firstly, I totally and equivocally reaffirm my belief that Democratic Socialism is the best system of governance and economics that we posses. There is nothing wrong with putting some of the means of production into the hands of the workers, not the owners. We must spread the wealth, so that we no poor and no rich. Everyone is equal, there is no greed, no profit rather consumption. Every man is judged by his need not his want. Capitalism has had its turn, and its failed, it is the time of the worker. It is the time for Democratic Socialism.


Isn't John Stirling dead?

No that was just his dream of a socialist state.

Sorry it has been tried and did not work.


The above comment was made by the user 'Damo'. Firstly,John Stirling is not dead, the article was written by myself a few days ago, my name is John Stirling. Now Damo has alluded to the apparent failure of socialism no doubt in Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Eastern Europe and China what Damo has forgotten to mention is that the system in place in those countries was Democratic Socialism, it was ugly, ugly Communism. The type of Communism that was put in place was not Communism, it was a hybrid piece of Maoist/Stalinist shit. Democratic Socialism and the system of Communism in those place is not comparable. Democratic Socialism does not propose the state owning and running everything. Democratic Socialism provides for the workers through democracy to control both the economy and the country. Saying something does not work without it ever having been tested in the past and using evidence of countries that did not even have Democratic Socialism in place is just not fair. Show us a country where Democratic Socialism has not worked, there aren't any, it has never ever put in place. We should start the workers government.


There's no such thing as a perfect system - all man-made systems have flaws, it's just a matter of which flaws are more acceptable, and I much prefer capitalism to socialism because socialism erodes human rights and creates a small elite that have unchecked power over everyone else. They are not accountable to anybody but themselves, and even the most well-meaning person in this position is setting themselves up to be corrupt. When you are not exposing yourself to outside scrutiny you are foregoing your morality.
At least with democracy and capitalism you have the opportunity to complain about the system and campaign for an alternative. In socialist countries they suppress all opposition and demand that you align yourself totally with their system, whether you like it or not.
Resistance preaches democratic socialism, and I'm sorry but it's impossible to combine the two. Once you have a socialist system in place freedom of expression is seriously interfered with. In theory, it's a dream; in practice, a nightmare.
Also, socialism stifles innovation - since everyone makes pretty much the same amount of money there is less motivation to come up with new ideas and concepts.
So while I admire your idealism I think it's important to do more research on this text. Better yet, go to China, North Korea or Cuba and take note of how brainwashed and mindlessly conformist the people are. This is the result of socialism.

The above comment was made by 'postmoderncritic'. Democratic Socialism may have some flaws but if it does they are minimalist and incomparable to the huge flaws of capitalism, poverty is testament to the failure of capitalism.
Democratic Socialism does not erode human rights if anything rights are increased, Not only do the people control the government they also directly control the economy our realm of representation will be doubled. I'm not proposing a Communist Russia, I'm proposing a Democratic Socialist system where Democratic Socialism is elected into power and the means of production are in the hands of the worker not the owner. The parliamentary checks and balance as well as the judiciary will provide the same accountability they provide today. I do not remember proposing a dictatorship in my speech, rather a system of democracy and socialism.

With Democratic Socialism the opportunity to complain remains and you can complain with your vote by removing governments from office or even voting against reform or economic decisions. Democracy will still be in the system, in fact it will be increased as the worker will have more say in the economy. You say that 'socialist countries suppress the opposition', I would rebut that by simply saying that you are referring to the wrong kind of socialism, instead you are referring to the kind of socialism that Russia had. That was communism, not Democratic Socialism, it was the worse kind of communism. I am not advocating that for one second. Give me an example of a Democratic Socialist government where the opposition has been oppressed, you have evidence of ideological nightmares like Communist Russia suppressing opposition but not Democratic Socialism. Once again it is very unfair to say that Democratic Socialism and Communism is the same thing, its like comparing an apple to an orange.

Communism slows the economy and there is a lack of motivation, I agree. Democratic Socialism does not align itself to communist economic policy. Democratic Socialism promotes the means of production meaning big companies being put in the hands of the workers so that the companies are geared for consumption not profit. This means no greed and thus a better world Workers will be the paid the same wage as today, and obviously some occupations would pay more than others. But there would be an emphasis on need not want, and since when was that a bad thing? Furthermore in we have an economy for consumption not profit, then there an no recessions and no economic downturns. Imagine never having to worry about interest rates and unnecessarily high commodities prices again!

Finally, please do not compare Democratic Socialism to the system of governance in North Korea, China or Cuba. That is not Democratic Socialism that is idiotic, ideologically incorrect communism. They are incomparable and so they shouldn't be aligned or compared. Now, I have a question for you and anyone who disagrees with me go and look at the homeless, have a look at those people that struggle to make ends meet, the families who live on next to nothing. Finally go and have a look at the starving people in Uganda, Indonesia, Peru and Afghanistan and you look at them in the eye, and say " Yes, Capitalism is working, greed does not exist in Capitalism, your misery is not caused by greed" . If you can't say that, then you must agree that Democratic Socialism (where there is no greed) is the logical ideological improvement in both representation, governance and economically.

We must unite, put the world in the hands of the workers, not those profiteering from the flaws of capitalism.
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By John Stirling

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Parliament Needs Urgent Tweaking

May 11th 2008 09:39
Parliament is supposed to be the start and end of society, but it is riddled with errors and needs urgent reform.

Parliament is supposed be made up of parliamentarians who represent their individual communities, this role has changed so much over time that MP’s (especially in Federal Parliament) rarely represent their local community. Individual MP’s usually act to represent their party and its policy. Obviously acting when within the bounds of party policy MP’s are restricted to what they can do for their local areas. MP’s become subordinate to party discipline, but this subordination also extends to the executives power over MPs. Due to the executive’s power and party alliances, parliament has in some ways become little more than a rubber stamp for the public record which leaves the real governance to the executive


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The Hidden Beauty of Britannia

May 5th 2008 13:32


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As the AFL season rages on with Geelong and the fall of West Coast the big news, few of us are aware that an equally important competition is also going on, that of the WAFL.

In years gone the WAFL was bigger then Ben Hurr and it provided WA fans with more then its fair share of football action. Many footy greats played their best years in the WAFL; examples include Polly Farmer, Brian Peake and George Doig. Well what has changed? WA is the still producing awesome footballers, WA is still a prominent football state but WA has changed, and changed for the worst


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The Barracking Mentality

April 30th 2008 09:27
Australian Yobbo’s draping themselves in Australian flags, bogans with stickers of the flag on the back of their Holden ute and hoons wearing shirts with slogans like ‘if you don’t like it get out’ or ‘we grew here, you flew here’. Please someone tell me, what is happening to our country?

It’s bad enough with sport; we as ordinary Australians are constantly subjected to the ‘barracking mentality’ of Australian culture. Sporting commentators and normal Australian’s alike constantly yap on about how sport is such an integral part of our culture and why sport shows the real Aussie spirit. Since when did kicking some leather with air in it become an important celebration of culture? This is what is happening, to our country. We had a culture once, glance back to Federation or even just after WW2, an emerging culture of youth and new Australianism came into existence. We still had pride in our country, more so than today, but we did not behave like we do today. Today we support our country in the same way we support a sporting club, this a dangerous mentality to have. Our country is not a sporting team, it is a country and it should be treated with some kind of reverence


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Commentators in this country of late have been championing the card of Kevin Rudd: The Man With No Substance. They argue that he is as plastic as the bumper stickers that bear his name and as shallow as Julie Bishop’s supporters, apparently he has no policy just a smile and some quiff gibberish about working families. People who have this opinion no doubt desire a return to the ‘Glory Day’s, the return to Howard; a man so out of touch he lost his own seat being only one of two PM’s in over a hundred years to do so.

In Howard’s first term as PM the only notable policy he introduced was gun laws (which was entirely circumstantial), partly selling Telstra (the fledging phone company) and trying to destroy Industrial Relations. None of these were important election promises, since Rudd has been in office for just under 200 days he has dismantled the idiotic WorkChoices, increased funding to non-government schools, signed Kyoto, said ‘Sorry’, started the process for a Republic, increased relationships with China and removed Troops from Iraq.Sounds like a lot, in fact more than Howard in a shorter time period. Rudd has delivered on his promises, his made the country more Labor which is what he intended and it’s what the Australian public voted for


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Israel: A Threatened Species

April 26th 2008 12:39
In this country we get far too much anti-zionism, we get this ignorant belief that the Israeli's are the bad guys who are attacking the innocent Palestinians. Recently there has been discussion about Israel's refusal to sign a short period truce with Hamas, let us remember that Hamas is a hardline Islamist Terrorist group, whose name appears on all most every Terrorist list in the world. Why would an nation negotiate with terrorists like Hamas, it would be like the USA signing a treaty with Al Qaeda, what a ridiculous sentiment.

Although we all sympathize with the Palestinians let us not forget that in 1948 we had a 2 state solution, one was Jewish the other Islamic, the Islamic state being the forerunner of Palestine and the Jewish state being Israel. The Islamic nation along with other Islamic nations declared war and publicly stated that 'Israel would be wiped off the face of the Earth', these nations invaded Israel but lost despite greatly outnumbering Israel. Again in 1967 Palestine and its allies attacked Israel on a Jewish national holiday, the equivalent of Ramadan, once again Israel defeated the Muslim nations


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Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

June 6th 2008 07:13
lol at jeff's intelligence

Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

May 28th 2008 12:43
hahahah, the man was not perfect. He lived in the middle ages for fs. That was the social norm. What a stupid example

Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

May 28th 2008 11:54
Firstly,

Your points on Mother Theresa are not exactly valid. So she opposed reforms at Vatican 2, that is a real non-issue for me. I mean seriously so she cares about her faith and she wants to practice it in a particular way, what is wrong with that?

Ok so she wants to stop remarriage, that is common Catholic doctrine. As Jesus says anyone who remarries after divorce commits adultery, that what he said, she as a Catholic has a duty to uphold that. As For Princes Diana she congratulated her on leaving an unhappy divorce, there's nothing wrong with that If she congratulated on her on getting remarried there would be an issue, but she didn't. With the poor conditions let us remember that the hospital is in a 3rd world country, I defy you to find a first class medical facility there on the funds she had. Let us also remember she is running an order and there are other hospitals to support. She did all she could with what she had. Honestly as I said before criticizing her is like professing your love for Hitler.

Ok, Damo is simply asking you are criticizing the Church who provides aid when you give no aid yourself, it is a very,very valid point.
Now as for Mother Theresa's quote about not believing in God and such, I totally sympathise with that. As St.Thomas Aquinas said 'doubt rekindles faith'. Just because you have doubt does not mean you do not believe in God, its natural. We all have doubts, and with the stuff she was seeing its perfectly understandable. Honestly what an idiotic point.

The Church has made mistake but as a whole no other organisation in all history has done as much good. If there is one please provide it...... didn't think so.

Yes, I am a socialist, but I am wise enough to distinguish faith from the system of government, and I do not agree with some of Marx's writings which further illustrate this point.

I have researched the Church for years, and honestly the bad it has done is so outweighed by the good it is amazing anyone has the mind to question it.

Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

May 28th 2008 08:36
The fact that you are using 'suffering' as a negative point, proves that you know NOTHING about Catholicism. Please don't talk about what you don't understand.

Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

May 28th 2008 01:46
I find it amazing, baffling even the amount of anti-Catholicism and religion on this board the very thing that has protected you for so long, you feel the need to insult and insult.

Firstly, I do not hate atheists, I however feel that many atheists treat atheism like a religion which is very thing they are trying to stop. The Atheist Foundation of Australia says in its constitution that it aim is to 'spread atheism', this is the kind of thing we have to contend with, people who hate religion but yet go around spreading their own in their own selfish manner. As for Atheism giving money to charity, the biggest private aid giver in the world is the Catholic Church, besides Amnesty(which is half catholic) I never even heard of the other charities. So much for the good atheism does, it doesn't exist.

As for Mother Teresa honestly grow up, thats like saying Hitler was a top bloke. Nobel Peace Price, numerous international awards. She was a saint. The center of criticism about her seems to be around the poor conditions of her hospital, I tell you what its hard to run a good hospital in a 3rd world country with no money. GROW UP.

As for Mary, (I noticed you let Magadelene slide) she is the most venerated figure besides Christ in the Church, the fact that you think she is venerated because she was a virgin really demonstrates your lack of knowledge about the Church. She is venerated because she is Christ's mother and for her immense strength of character and her charitable intercession. If she wore not a virgin, it would not matter in the slightest. By saying 'virgin Mary', one is not expressing Mary as wonderful because she was a virgin, but in awe about how God made a Virgin pregnant. Learn your facts.

Your whole rant seems to be based around half-trues and simply lies. I suggest you think about the God that Catholicism has done for this world, and cease to criticize one of the few good things we as humans have.

Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

May 27th 2008 13:39
the facts ey, the good of atheism? When was the last time atheism opened up a hospital in Calcutta? When was the last time Atheism gave aid to Africa? And when was the last time atheism gave food to that starving man?

Comment by Tom Craven
on The Catholic Church

May 27th 2008 12:34
Actually the Church has a cleaner record of child abuse then the state does, it had paid more compensation then the state has, but it has a far less lower percentile of abusive teachers than the state system. Something like 0.01% are abusers, while in the state system the number is higher to 0.9%.

And the crusades, if basic history lessons are anything to go by I seem to recall the Muslim armies invading a Christian country and that Christian country (Byzantine) called on the world for help to defend itself. The other Christians countries fought the invading Muslims and freed that country, what is possibly wrong with that?

Oh yes the spanish inquisition, once again a little bit of research would have held you in good stead. The inquisition was ran by the Spanish monarchy NOT the Church. It was purely a political inquisition.

Please don't spread lies, a little bit of research would help.

Comment by Tom Craven
on A Rebuttal To the Arguments Against Socialism

May 14th 2008 11:10
There has only even been one kind of socialism enforced in the history of the world, what other 'tested' kind of socialism were you referring to?

Comment by Tom Craven
on 60 Years of Israel

May 14th 2008 10:09
60 Years since the first invasion of Israel by violent Arabic Nations.

50 Years since the king of Jordan vowed to 'wipe Israel off the face off the earth'

40 years since another invasion of Israel by the entire Arabic alliance which was defeated by Israel.

30 years since another invasion attempt

I don't agree with everything Israel does, but think about it. The Palestinian's invaded Israel in the first place, in 1948 we had a 2 state solution but the Palestinian's and their allies destroyed it by invading Israel, they tried to invaded Israel another 3 times and if they could do it today they would. We sympathize with the Palestinian's but there not blameless.

I will post a rebuttal to your comment in my next post.