The State of the Orble
November 24th 2008 11:22
Hi Everyone,
The list of things that are considered "offensive" in the context of the Orble T&C has always included attack posts (those focused on insulting a particular blogger) however given the latest round of flaming I'll be trying to police it a little more rigourously.
There is no way that I can read every post, so if you spot an attack post or something that you think steps over the line from heated debate to unnecessary invisceration please let me know by sending an email to
complaints -at - orble.com
and I'll pass it through the insult-o-meter.
Meanwhile if the microscopic minority of Orble bloggers who enjoy throwing insults around like popcorn at the theatre could please try to argue the point rather than the person I'd greatly appreciate the show of maturity.
Thanks,
Jon.
The list of things that are considered "offensive" in the context of the Orble T&C has always included attack posts (those focused on insulting a particular blogger) however given the latest round of flaming I'll be trying to police it a little more rigourously.
There is no way that I can read every post, so if you spot an attack post or something that you think steps over the line from heated debate to unnecessary invisceration please let me know by sending an email to
complaints -at - orble.com
and I'll pass it through the insult-o-meter.
Meanwhile if the microscopic minority of Orble bloggers who enjoy throwing insults around like popcorn at the theatre could please try to argue the point rather than the person I'd greatly appreciate the show of maturity.
Thanks,
Jon.
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Comment by Wilson Pon
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Personally I have no desire to be an 'Orble' policeperson.
Argue the point, not the person is well said, but what if the person just deletes contrary arguments, that's a poor way to try and win an argument.
You may regard me as a semi-impartial viewer as nothing bores me to sobs more than prolonged arguments or even short ones, as they, as Shakespeare would say, are usually, 'much ado about nothing' or else just the same old theme being introduced over and over again.
Let my case rest. ( in peace)
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Comment by Louie
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I just ignore them and they go away pretty quickly. They don't like to be ignored........
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Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
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I'm glad of this:
I'll be trying to police it a little more rigourously.
We'll all try to be more rigourous as well. But we can't guarantee anything.
I like this one as well:
Is there any way you (or Orble) could employ someone to read every post? There's a lot of bloggers on Orble who would do it for next-to-nothing. They blog for nothing. And some of them already read nearly every post for nothing, looking for something to cut & paste in order to be offensive.
What sort of response do you expect bloggers to give you from this? Something akin to your response?: Something like:
Then you write this:
Believe it or not, a mature approach is to say things to children like 'this will definitely not be tolerated' not leave children wondering if the parent will enforce the rules or not when the parents shroud what they say in ambiguity by saying things like, "I would really appreciate this," which infers that if the child doesn't do it the parent will be non appreciative but do nothing about it, because the parent can't offer any guarantees.
I've read the Writers' Forum Post about offensive material on Orble (and it should have been deleted due to the offensive comments on it). All the answers are there on that very post. If Orble considers something offensive, they delete it. If Orble considers a post Mature Content they label it such. I had a recent post labelled mature content. Yet I can't see why that was. As I've stated before. If Orble consider it mature content, then so be it. If they don't consider crucifix dildos mature content, then so be it.
My solution to this mess would be to pay someone to read every post. You'd only have to pay them something like $40/wk. Then write a post about how you are paying someone to read every post. And that person reports to you if that person sees something offensive or mature. And if you consider it offensive, you will delete it. If you consider it mature, you will label it mature content. But that might take a few days because you are busy.
Now if bloggers don't like this?Tell them to piss off and blog somewhere else. But not in that language. Because that would be offensive and self defeating.
For God's sake. You explained all this on the Writers' Forum Post (the one Morgan wrote). It's all pretty simple.Tell bloggers: If you write something offensive Orble will remove it. If you write something mature Orble will label it mature content.
It is my sincere wish that this post is not deleted due to the fact that people perceive my comment as offensive and that you don't have to label it mature content because I used the word piss.
See how silly all this is?
But never fear. We're all trying. We just can't give any guarantees. I'm trying to restrain myself from writing anything offensive or of mature content. God forbid that a comment should contain mature content.
We should all try to become politicians. We're all emulating them.
To make Orble work as a community? It needs firm direction and guidance. For all intents and purposes, you are the mayor of this miscroscopic community known as Orble. Bloggers are going to act according to your rules. If you don't enforce the rules you make as mayor of this microscopic community, people are going to question you and want answers. If you keep dithering and giving no guarantees, yet continually promise that you'll try your best? I think even people without faith will lose faith in you.
When daddy and mummy both go out to work to provide a better life for Jonny and Mary, Jonny and Mary feel like mummy and daddy don't love them because they're hardly ever around. And when they are, daddy and mummy argue or just speak BS.
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Fascinating post with both serious and hilarious responses as well. Especially the last post from Lady Henrietta Muddling. I thought if you were able to share any adventures you'd had with Colonel Francis Dithering (yes i just thought of that) or mail out some of the recreational substances you're on as Orble Xmas presents - that'd be great! So thanks for sharing that, because I haven't laughed that hard in ages.
I have been attacked in here before for having my opinion. It's like whoopdeef**king do. I'm not that shocked, nor think it's something anyone could effectively police. Even the police are pigs sometimes.
I guess there are a whole host of "ways" to look moderating Orble, though I am thinking that people who attack others lack the necessary skills to debate something. My father always said that as soon as your comments relate to the "person" and not what you are debating, then you have really lost that debate you stupid idiot. Yeah I added the 'you stupid idiot' bit. It works for the comedic ally in us all...
Slagging is however a part of growing up in Orble so these infants who feel the need to attack others need to do it to grow, and I guess learn to be more tolerant of others and in a deep and subconscious level become more accepting of themselves.
You can call me FAT. I weigh heavily on most ;o)
The "perfect" blogging site would be yawningly boring. A formal affair with 'nice' conversations, encouraging commendations, positive recommendations all with our pinky's sticking out.
So go Orble
GO!
And have a go at me
Go on
And we'll help each other grow
Dances
Comment by Morgan Bell
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i agree with David on a quite a few of his basic points
i think his suggestions are workable and have a high probability of success
that is a good summary of basic human behaviour within the analogy you originally provided . . . there is a huge need for guidance, and lately the "too little too late" style of moderating is making every day feel like groundhog day
this is a reasonable request, and i think it should be considered seriously
it is obvious to me that "the rules" need clarification, and they need to be explained when applied . . . it is easy to see that people dont understand what is expected of them
thanks for informing people of the official Complaints email address, a couple of other technical things you may want to consider are:
1) a "report abuse" button on all posts
2) a "block user" button to prevent unwanted contact from trolls and bullies etc who have Orble accounts
Comment by Morgan Bell
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this was a particularly juvenile point for you to make:
you should try thinking of commenting on other peoples blogs as a privilege, not a right
the blog owner is the moderator and they can delete or restrict comments as they see fit, it is their responsibility to remove offensive material from their comments sections and/or diffuse hostility with mediation
a more mature approach would be to advise people to ignore those people they do not get along with (as Louie said) and not actively engage them
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Did I 'name' someone inadvertently, yes I think Louie's advice is well intended, I have ignored you but you have still not gone away. I thought this was Jon's blog.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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yes this is Jon's blog, very observant of you
i dont think ive ever left a comment on any of your blogs so i dont know how much further away you would like me to go
it was your point i was criticising, you posed a "what if" question taking issue with how other users moderate their blogs, and i responded outlining why being indignant about having comments deleted is not constructive
theres an email address above if you would like to lodge a complaint
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The report abuse button is a good idea, I'll get that done when I can. For the moment please use the complaints email address.
Orble won't be employing a full-time policeman to read each post as they are published.
I don't think it would improve the situation very much (as shown by the exchange above!) and would cost much more than $40 per week.
If people report abuse when they see it, and it's removed in a timely manner, I think things should settle down.
Thanks,
Jon.
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I would just like to offer my support for Moragns suggestion of :
1) a "report abuse" button on all posts
2) a "block user" button to prevent unwanted contact from trolls and bullies etc who have Orble accounts
I have never complained before, although I probably could as I am not a stranger to having a couple of hecklers visit me regularly. They are purile and childish and offer nothing constructive in their comments, sometimes not even related to the post. They dont even have an opinion that could make me say it is a clash of opinions ... it is pure personal attack from the outset because of my post just being there and what it is : me being who I am?
There is nothing to be gained through trying a rational conversation or debate as one does with normal mature adults with such people.
Their only mission it seems is to ruin my day with their vitriolic bile. Now whilst I can avoid visiting them, I cannot avoid them upsetting me, because the words are read before the delete can be clicked on.
I would therefore strongly advocate that a *BLOCK USER* button be added to the list. Please. This would certainly make my blogging experience more enjoyable.
I do believe that nothing would get the message home quicker to such people, and sort this whole problem than the instigation of these two buttons. It would serve orble well for these people to find that they are unwelcome and can no longer roam around like emotional hitmen and women, heckling normal rational people just trying to have some interaction on their ideas and thoughts.
Lilla ...
Comment by Morgan Bell
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thanks for considering the "buttons" idea, it is a system that works quite well on MySpace
hi Lilla,
thanks for the support!
ive seen you being heckled a few times recently, and i agree with your explanation of the mindset of the people that do it . . . i hope you do eventually get a "block button", you deserve to be able to blog in peace! (as do we all)
that is very true!
and currently the only option we have is to disable our comments sections . . . it would be a shame to have to block input from all of your readers for the sake of a couple of bad apples!
Comment by Lilla
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I agree. Whilst making a buck is a nice ambient thought, it is not my main reason for blogging and to continue to do so without being able to interact and learn through varied opinions would make blogging as stupid as watching TV (which I dont do because it is designed to brainwash).
Too bad some people dont realise they have rampant turrettes and seek professional help?
On the other foot, it is a shame that some people are solidly bent on sh*t stirring everyone else to subversively be crowned the King or Queen of a virtual bubbleland. Makes me think they never made the school prom night.
Lilla ...
Comment by Morgan Bell
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haha tourettes . . . yeah there seems to be a disproportionately large amount of internet users are afflicted with that disorder!
i guess theres a thin line between subversive and rude, although i notice the word "subversive" is now often used as a euphamism for "rude" . . . probably more a trait of a Jester than a King or Queen
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The self righteous remain wounded, the bully remains the victim and the would be maven remains a sycophant.
If change is to occur, don't look for it to happen over night or in the face of personal rancor; I dislike the anecdotal golden rule, s/he who has the gold makes the rules or sleeps with the boss.
Sorry, I waffled, I was afraid to suggest that we adhere to a rule which in Christian speak goes like this; treat others as you want to be treated.
Kindness begets puppies and good will.