Scientology Indoctrination Cruise docks in Melbourne.
July 1st 2009 12:10
Tom Cruise along with his wife Katie Holmes and their daughter Suri have arrived in Australia where Katie is to shoot for a new movie.
What is unclear however is why Tom needed to accompany Holmes, who one imagines will be tied up with production commitments on this trip. Australia's economy as faired far better than the States in what is reportedly the worst economic crisis since the great depression - perhaps Tom has been sent on a mission to find newinvestors believers for his Pseudo-Religious Church of Scientology.
All I can say at this point folks is that if you're looking to invest your life's savings, you'd earn a higher return investing your money with convicted fraudster Bernie Madoff than with the salacious, money hungry, Scientology mob!
The family arrived at Melbourne's Essendon Airport in their private jet and is staying in a private suite at Crown Casino, reports Herald Sun.
Australian billionaire James Packer flew to Melbourne yesterday, reportedly to prepare the suite for their arrival.
The Cruise clan and the Packers are close friends, with a shared interest in Scientology.
Crown increased its security in readiness for the power couple's arrival.
Holmes and her daughter Suri were offered the billionaire's top-floor Crown Towers suite after being unable to find a home with enough security to accommodate their needs.
Holmes will star alongside Australian actor Guy Pearce in the movie.
Australian billionaire James Packer flew to Melbourne yesterday, reportedly to prepare the suite for their arrival.
The Cruise clan and the Packers are close friends, with a shared interest in Scientology.
Crown increased its security in readiness for the power couple's arrival.
Holmes and her daughter Suri were offered the billionaire's top-floor Crown Towers suite after being unable to find a home with enough security to accommodate their needs.
Holmes will star alongside Australian actor Guy Pearce in the movie.
What is unclear however is why Tom needed to accompany Holmes, who one imagines will be tied up with production commitments on this trip. Australia's economy as faired far better than the States in what is reportedly the worst economic crisis since the great depression - perhaps Tom has been sent on a mission to find new
All I can say at this point folks is that if you're looking to invest your life's savings, you'd earn a higher return investing your money with convicted fraudster Bernie Madoff than with the salacious, money hungry, Scientology mob!
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Comment by S.L.
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My friend sees nothing wrong with the situation. I do!
Comment by Aimee Dent
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I pray that her kids will be able to escape, I don't know how - I just pray.
Aimee
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Comment by Damo
I have not heard anything about this.
I live near Essendon Airport. Just a few km's
The Thetans told me nothing. Nothing!
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Comment by Damo
It is a nut case magnet.
Tom will fit right in.
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Damo I am starting to think that half the people on this site are strong adherents to the "church" of Scientology. They seem to eager to defend their 'god' Dawkins.
Aimee
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do you think freedom of religion only applies to some churches and not others?
Comment by Damo
This post got me thinking and so I posted something about oppressive cults and how they are very different from movement that do not set out to deceive or oppress people.
If you want I will link it back to this post.
There seems to be a lot of people who have idea that there is a difference.
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My religion is of little concern to you - perhaps I would be more inclined to disclose my faith if you we're less incline to ridicule me about it.
Aimee
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it is quite clear i dont even know which church you are affiliated with, in order to target you with ridicule i would have to be privy to that knowledge, otherwise i would just be stabbing in the dark
but your reaction is ironic given this is a post ridiculing Scientologists
maybe you could answer the question more generally with no specifics to your own personal life:
1) how is Scientology different to any other church?
2) why are Scientologists open to ridicule and not other religions?
3) why should the beliefs and customs of Scientologists not be protected under the standards of "freedom of religion" as the more major or established religious institutions? eg: the Catholic Church
ps: likening someone to a monkey is generally considered rude, just ask Andrew Symonds how he feels about it
Comment by Aimee Dent
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Perhaps if you glanced over your vitriolic blog with an un-biased eye you would see where you have ridiculed the Christian faith, and Christians.
If you cannot see the difference between Scientology and Catholicism then I see know need to waste my time trying to educate you.
I am not attacking Scientology's followers, rather the masterminds behind it - the profiteers.
Aimee
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your inability to articulate the differences between the two churches tell me you either dont know what youre talking about, or there is no difference
which "vitriolic blog post" are you referring to? im sure this cryptic to-and-fro is keeping you entertained, but it would be much easier to address your concerns if you provided a link or quoted a title
show me a church that is not using the premise of faith to blackmail people out of money in the form of donations?
direct answer, no bluff or bluster
Comment by Aimee Dent
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If you are dissatisfied that you weren't taught the difference between a Cult and a Church at School then I suggest that is a matter for the education department.
Aimee
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wheres the consistency?
and no i didnt take Cult 101 at school, but then again im not the one claiming they are a cult
if you are going to make accusations and assign labels you should be able to explain your reasoning and back up your claims with fact
name one thing the Church of Scientology is doing that the Catholic Church is not
accumulating assets and riches, taking money from the faithful, setting up exclusive schools to teach the faith to children, the censorship, the cover-ups, the closing ranks when criticised . . . what is the difference?
Comment by Aimee Dent
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The Catholic Church also have many schools in Australia, Schools that provide a top-class education that follows a state based curriculum along with religious studies.
Once again, I did not call you a Monkey Morgan - you gave yourself that title with your childish behaviour and anti-catholic rhetoric.
Where is your consistancy Morgan - I would expect a Journalist to be able to handle a little more heat than this. As the saying goes, if you can't handle the heat get out of the Kitchen.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get some rest.
Aimee
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That is a very tall statement to make. Are you sure that you want to use those words on a public record?
I just want to be sure that it is you who is willing to stake your reputation on that conclusion.
- I would now consider this to be a fact considering your persistent hostility.
You should have no trouble finding that the comment did not come from me.
Incidentally I have come to the conclusion that this post is in itself a smear against monkeys. Or as I said at the time a forum of bold faced lies. I just had the last statement examined and sure enough you admit that monkeys are being purged from Orble. I will be emailing it to a particular destination as a permanent record forthwith.
Duty of care, Aimee.
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Buddhists revere Buddha, don't they? They follow his teachings and again Buddhism has been around for a little longer than Scientology. Even a religion as ugly as Islam has the claim of lasting over time.
Cults tend to be brief in nature, trying to get as much as they can before being found out. Scientology is banned in lots of places because of its cultish nature.
Also, Someone, most religions weren't started by a sci-fi writer that wasn't making enough money and bragged about planning to start his own religion to get rich. Damo just did a very detailed post about it. You might want to check it out.
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Call it a religion if you like, but the behavior patterns are disturbing, at best.
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good point, Someone
Scientologists believe in reincarnation, just like Hindus (the worlds third largest religion), and there are schools of Hindu which also have no deity
Raelians do not have a supernatural deity, they believe extra terrestrials are our "creator"
how young does your church have to be, and how much money do they have to extract from their followers to be considered a cult?
The Church of England is only 400 years old, does that make it a cult?
Assemblies of God (evangelical pentecostal) only started up in 1914 . . . The Church of Scientology has been around since 1953
where is the cut-off line?
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yes and christianity is illegal in many places too
Comment by Damo
Just out of curiosity.
Are still trying to play games with people.
Because it looks dead obvious.
You a conspicuous bias toward defending certain people when they make deliberate sarcastic remarks.
Comment by Damo
There is more than one version of Buddhism:
Some major ones do worship deities.
I have seen it myself.
They decorate their temples with gods and demons;
They show that terrible sinners do go to Buddhist Hell and the use the term "May Gods Bless you."
Why do people make claims that they obviously no nothing about?
Sophism or ignorance are incredibly painful to watch.
Comment by Damo
The so called Church of Scientology is a dangerous oppressive cult. Not every cult is harmful dangerous or oppressive.
Arguing along lines of comparison like this just shows an incredible desire to be irrational just for the sake of it.
The only reason someone would drag the Question of The Catholic Church into this post is to live out the own irrational hatred of that religion. There is a word for people who have an irrational hatred of a particular religion. However that name escapes me for now.
This is precisely the same absurdities that all people that have irrational hate engage in. The straw man argument.
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Damo, it appears that you have an irrational hatred of Scientology. Whatever you like to call it, it is recognised as a religion. And it brings comfort to many of its followers. Why? Only they can say. What Catholocism is to you, Scientology is to thousands of other people.Personally, I think every religion is as mad and dangerous as the next one. That's why I criticise all of them. But when I do it, you call me a bigot. When you do it, you are speaking out against "oppressive cults".
You really can't see yourself, can you?
Comment by Damo
You obviously know nothing about Scientology. I suggest you come prepared with knowledge rather than cheap barbs.
I have no hatred of Scientologist's at all.
I have an issue with their method of recruitment and the treatment of their members.
I have an issue with their policies of 'Fair Game.'
I have an issue with their brainwashing techniques.
I also have an issue with all people who engage in deceptive and unscrupulous practices to further their own warped agenda's and deep seated prejudices.
All these have been documented and recorded in court cases from around the world.
Their deceptive tactics were highlighted in a Royal Commission in Victoria some years ago which resulted in them being banned.
Of course I did cover all these points in a post that I linked to this one.
I also have an issue with yellow journalism and willful ignorance.
However I will leave that for another occasion.
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Thanks.
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I have an issue with their method of recruitment and the treatment of their members
Actually, that's how I feel about religion in general. For the most part religions recruit children before those children have developed the capacity to analyse and the opportunity to seek out alternative viewpoints. I also have a problem with the way the Vatican treats its members in Africa when it forbids them to use condoms, thereby condemning many more to fall victim to AIDS. I have a problem with the way the Church treats women when it doesn't allow them control over their bodies. I have a problem with the way Islam treats its members when it decrees that the punishment for heresy and/or apostasy is death. I have a problem with the fact that many Muslim women are not allowed to leave their homes without an accompanying male, if at all. I have a problem with....should I go on?
That's a rather cryptic answer. I much prefer a direct response. What exactly is it that you are trying to say here?
What religion hasn't been banned at some point in its history? If there is one thing that all religions have in common its their tendency to wear a 'persecuted underdog' status like a badge of honour.
Really? And here I thought you were just rambling as usual.
Again with the cryptic comments. I have no time for crypticism. I really wish people would just be more direct. Don't you?
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Well looks like that plan failed monumentally - and why? As I see it Morgan and her cohorts saw an opportunity and ran with it. "Aimee's gone to bed, let's attack her blog and her kind readers with deceptive tactics and school yard taunts."
Sorry folks, but if I'd known when I signed-up for my Orble account that I'd be hounded by a bunch of cyber terrorist's then I would have seriously considered not signing up at all.
Aimee
P.s. My heartfelt thanks goes out to the those of the Orble community who have shown nothing but respect for me - even when we may disagree. xox
Comment by Damo
Do not leave because people want to push you out.
There are some very good people here and it may take some time for them to come forward.
Unfortunately it seems that some self appointed gatekeepers want to decide who gets to stay and who does not.
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Ever watchful - always on alert for another rooster or the hawk in the sky!
But to vitiate that, he then makes an appearance at a footy game or whatever it was - smiling, being a bloody nice bloke and all that.
What hypocrasy, Tom!
Your beliefs and practices label 'open society' as a threat and yet you ingratiate yourself in that 'open society' to earn an income from it.
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Aimee, I don't know you or Morgan but to say the following:
"Was there a purpose to your comment Morgan - I'm sure even a monkey could provide a more substantive contribution to my post."
...... is rude - in any context.
You obviously meant it that way - so why deny it?
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hi Ruby,
no he cant, none of them can, they have no self-awareness . . . they could not even recognise a parody of themselves if it was staring them right in the face like a reflection in the mirror
Duty of care, Ruby
Comment by Aimee Dent
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To make my comment clear I will pose it in two parts -
As you can see, in the first section I posed a question to Morgan - which she is yet to answer. Following this in the second part I simply stated my opinion. Now can you show me where I have called Morgan a monkey?
It's quite astounding really to think that a Dawkinite would take offence to being likened to a monkey (should it happen) - after all their supreme leader Dick Dawkins says we're all apes does he not?
Aimee
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cheeky
the purpose is, assuming you are a person of faith, and ruling out Scientology as your chosen religion, why do you think some churches deserve respect and others deserve ridicule?
do you ridicule every church that is not your own?
or is there something specific that Scientology is doing that all the other religions are not?
Comment by Aimee Dent
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Would you be so eager to defend Scientology Morgan is one of your siblings was sucked in and you were never allowed any further contact with them? When was the last time the catholic church prevented you from socialising with one of your friends or relatives...
Scientology is little more than a means for the uber wealthy to launder there finances without interference from the government.
Aimee
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the same amount of times as the Church of Scientology: never
however the Jehovahs Witnesses and the Bretheren prevent their followers from socialising with outsiders . . . i have known people with experience with both of those religions
how may Scientologists do you know, Aimee?
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i think you are losing your grasp on the english language, you clearly do not know what an "olive branch" is, nor do you know what a "direct email communication" is, or an "attack on your family"
you are wrongly identifying these things willy nilly
i thought you were not going to be stirring up internet disputes anymore?
perhaps you did not realise the meaning of that statement when you made it either . . . the english language can be tricky
feel free to not address me at all on third party blogs, Nevar, i was not speaking to you, i was speaking to Aimee
Comment by Nevar
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Asking the same question over, and over and over is badgering.
2badger
Function:
transitive verb
Etymology:
from the sport of baiting badgers
Date:
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: to harass or annoy persistently
synonyms see bait
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i have only responded where addressed
if you dont want me to response dont address me
if you dont want a question to be answered dont pose one
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As for the number of scientologist I know, well I have had several friends sucked into that cult - friends that I worry about each day. Friends that I can not contact due to the cults strict rules.
Aimee
Oh and on a side note, would you mind not badgering my readers Morgan. I am happy for you to have a civilised debate with me, but please leave your school yard taunts attacking others for your own blog.
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nice parroting
maybe you should check who began addressing whom first and direct your instructions towards the instigator of the personal comments
yes the Exclusive Bretheren, and no i did not claim they were the same as Jehovahs, they are two separate institutions
in Tasmania many members of the Bretheren picked their children up from school at lunch time to prevent them socialising with non-Bretheren children
i have had many friends who went through periods of being part of the Jehovahs, in Kempsey a female friend of mine was told she could not continue seeing her husband or parents unless they converted to the church, a male friend was told he could not date any women that were not Jehovahs . . . their strictness may vary from church to church, as i would imagine is the case with Scientology also
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Have you ever even stepped foot in a church? Or is that like asking a vampire to eat garlic...
Aimee
Comment by Damo
I have watch this 'discussion' with disbelief.
If people are going to draw comparisons why aren't they doing their homework. Fancy coming to a post about Scientology with no knowledge of them and trying to desperately fish for answers in the wrong direction.
There is no doubt in my mind that some people here are being deliberately evasive and nagging to push their single minded agenda.
These are tactics that oppressive cults use to quash open and reasonable discourse. They are both dishonest and intimidation designed to scare anyone who does not toe the line on their narrow ideological agenda.
Now they wish to debate other groups like the Exclusive Brethren as another diversion. This a lame tactic because they know less about them than they do about Scientology.
People who want to follow the teachings of Scientology can always join Freezone. It has all the same material and beliefs of Scientology but they give it away free. They do not charge thousands of dollars for Auditing;
They do not hide their key doctrines and charge thousands to learn the next one;
They are up front about what you are getting into before you start. Everything is on the table.
Scientology does the opposite:
They also engage in Fair Game
Family disconnect
Alienation from friends
Create an internal jargon to further alienate people from society.
They charge thousands for auditing
They charge thousands for learning their doctrines
People are unable to know what they are signing up for when they join.
They also go out of their way to bleed people of every penny that they make.
This well documented.
What this collection of badgering google experts are doing just painful to watch because it is so low IQ. It is bleedingly obvious that they have an agenda in their line of deliberate cyber bullying.
For people who claim to oppose oppression it seems odd that they have chosen the methods that oppressive cults and political fanatics use to crush their enemies.
That is the true irony of what we are witness Aimee. They are using the same tactics that Scientology use.
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Oh believe me Damo, it is not.
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"I have done a little research into Scientology,"
Good for you.
However I just noticed that Nevar has written a post that is more relevant to the questions you are posing here. Perhaps you should think about the correct forum for such superior questions that you seek.
Here you are:
Really Long Link
Go nuts.
I really don't like pecking parties.
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I didn't say you called her a monkey.
I said, the comment was rude - in any context.
Then I said, "you obviously meant it - why deny it?"
...which you did a few posts down:
"I 'm sorry Morgan, I don't believe I was being 'rude' though perhaps ......"
That was my Q - how can u say it's not rude?
Or to turn it around, is there a context where adjudging someone's post to be inferior to a monkey's is not rude?
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Comment by Damo
It becomes harder and harder to see you as an honest person. Your bias is as incredible as the dead horse you keep flogging.
Do you get some innate thrill out of bullying people or are you so self centered that you unaware of what you are doing? Then again you have a history of bias and pecking parties.
Aimee
Here what I suggest that you do.
You give people fair warning to play nice and if they don't then delete their comments.
You do not have to take this kind of punishment.
This is precisely the tactics that extremists and cults use to attack their enemies.
As I said I do not like pecking parties.
They are just so cowardly.
And I do mean cowardly.
Incidentally I have had to ban two of this pecking party from my site because of this kind of cheap gutter tactics. Best thing I did. They cannot be reasoned with at a mature adult level.
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Proper etiquette demands that you don't get savaged until your 2nd or 3rd posting.
Most writers on this site are great folks, and would prefer to banter playfully than to get so rough on a new writer: but, on a positive note ~ they now know that you came with fang and claw to defend yourself.
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Orble.
This is your first official warning. Try to argue the point rather than
insulting the writer.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Charles.
There is no doubt in my mind as to whom has made this complaint - I won't mention their name however for fear that I might be wiped of the site for good!
AImee
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Someone (not the Someone, just someone) once used dirty words on my blog and I fired back that his/her mother must be very proud that they spelled the bad words correctly. I was immediately accused of insulting their family. LOL
Sometimes it's like walking a tightrope. But once you get your balance, it's worth the effort.
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I also received such a little peck on my head.
My comment did NOT mention anyone's name and only drew attention an absurd line of reasoning.
The [report] button has become the tool of the anonymous back stab instead of a protection from harassment.
This is exactly what I predicted would happen.
I could say plenty but if people will not listen I will not speak.
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Feel free to delete this, but I was just wondering if you had heard from the Orble gods regarding that threatening message I supposedly sent you? You said you would contact them, and I have tried to as well, but I haven't had any response, have you?
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