Review of Rosey's Talent Consultants
April 4th 2011 10:43
Someone was asking me about this, so here it is -- my experience with Rosey's Talent Consultants.
Prior to being with Rosey's, I was with VOOM for about 5 years. I registered as an extra, and also spent 4 years doing acting training in various places. In that time, I received extra work about three to four times a year, and a couple of 50-word auditions -- so not frequent, by any means, but I think that's pretty much par for the course, or better than par, where agencies are concerned. I think I paid an initial sign-up/photography fee of about $150, and that was it.
The guys who run VOOM are wonderful as well.
In comparison, Rosey's...
After seeing an advertisement on Seek, I had an initial interview with a lady (name deleted), and she promised the moon. There was a lot of work for someone of "my look". There was so much demand, and not enough supply. They could also get me tonnes of auditions for proper acting roles, rather than just extra roles, and it would be up to me whether I got the jobs. And if I was interested in theatre, great! They could get me theatre auditions as well as film.
So, please sign up -- we want you.
Is it necessary to pay the "photography" fee? I've already got tonnes of photos of myself. I have photographer friends who can take more for free. -- Yes, you have to pay the fee, because our photographer is so good at his job, and it'll get you more work.
Did I want to sign up then and there? Well, no. Could I think about it first? Fine. So I went away. Thought about it. Decided not to join. Didn't call back.
A few months later, (name deleted) calls up and asks me why I haven't signed yet, offering me a discount from the usual $350 fee. I could pay $200, seeing that I was unemployed and very, very short of cash, and seeing I'd already had training and experience. In hindsight, perhaps it was a case of (name deleted) herself being short of cash, and wanting to shake the trees a little and see if anything fell down.
It sounded like a good offer, and I'm gullible. I went in, signed up. I even politely stayed quiet when she asked me to pay not $200, but the full $350, though it was an awkward silence when she named the figure.
Anyway, I took out my wallet. Photographer turned out crappy photos, and didn't shoot in a proper studio -- just went to an office and had me stand against the wall for 15 minutes. I should mention, though, that Rosey's provided an "introduction to being an extra" session, which went for two hours, and which was quite helpful.
But after that session... Well, now I've been registered for over a year -- no work, no contact, nothing. No auditions at all, not even cattle-call type auditions -- let alone any theatre auditions. If that's because no-one's looking for someone of my type, fair enough, though VOOM seemed to be able to get me work from time to time. But I guess what upsets me is that I feel Rosey's lied to me, or made false representations, to get me to join at a time in my life when I was so poor I was worried where my next meal would be coming from. So I definitely feel a bit sore at that.
Perhaps others peoples' experiences differ... Perhaps you've had a good experience. Presumably, someone must be getting work from them, and they can't be make a living just from tricking people into signing up. But I should mention that I'm far from being the only person to have had bad experiences with Rosey's. For instance, check out: Theatre Australia. The majority of comments there are negative (with some positives).
Incidentally, in that time, outside of Rosey's, I secured three low-budget feature film roles. So go figure. In the end, one has to be one's own agent.
Notes
-- Ask any actor or model, "Have you heard of Rosey's? What are they like?" They'll tell you...
-- OK, I've enquired about what the law is in NSW with respect to upfront fees. Basically, this area of law is covered by the Entertainment Industry Act 1989. NSW Industrial Relations, part of the NSW Department of Finance and Services, administers the Act.
I'm told that: "Clause 4(3) of the Entertainment Industry Regulations 2004 provides, in part, that an entertainment industry agent or manager must not demand or receive a fee or other form of remuneration from a performer for the performer joining or being auditioned to join any agency of the agent or manager. The Regulation, which commenced operation on 25 February 2011, sets out financial penalties for non compliance."
I'm fairly sure that if this is raised with Rosey's, they will say that the $350 is not a "joining fee", but payment for photography or for database management or creating a website, etc. But I don't know if this will stand up in court, especially in the context of what, at least up to now, has been the overall business model -- mass advertising, signing on a lot more people than they find work for, making misleading representations at the time of signing, etc. To gauge the percentage of people who've actually got work, all any investigator needs to do is invite all clients of Rosey, past and present, to give their testimony, and the glaring ratio of no jobs to jobs will be on official record for everyone to see.
So, if you're really angry with your experience with Rosey, as a first port of call contact NSW Industrial Relations and see what advice they can give to you.
-- If you notice Rosey's advertising for a big production on StarNow or elsewhere -- "Asian females urgently needed for Hollywood feature film" -- ask them some questions. Who's producing the film? Who's directing it? What's the film even about? When is it being shot? Why do you need to pay any fee -- if it's sure work, can't they take a commission instead? There's a button at the bottom of each listing for reporting to site organisers if a listing seems suspicious...
-- Noticed a user named James who seems genuine and who posted a 4/5 review at merchantcircle. Now, his seems to be the only favourable review -- all the other reviews there are either negative, or, if favourable, were posted a bunch at a time on the same day and have the same writing style! James mentions that he's been contacted by Rosey's already, though he's only been signed a week.
Well, James, if you ever read this, you've paid your cash, and I honestly wish the best for you, but let me add this -- please follow that job up and post a message here to let us know how it panned out. Was it mysteriously cancelled at the last moment? Was it an open casting for extras where places were filled just before you had a chance to apply? And let us know what happens after the first week. Are you still receiving job offers?
Brings up another point -- I honestly don't know what the situation is with respect to refunds. If you change your mind the day after you pay, are there any laws in place that would require her to refund you? Is there a time limit here, for example?
-- Comment from Tulipa on the Theatre Australia website: "No-one can promise you work. Be suspicious of anyone who gives you this guarantee in exchange for money. 'Actors and Extras urgently needed for exciting film/TV work. All sizes, looks etc'. No genuine agency is EVER desperate to take on more people, especially mass waves of people recruited from an ad in the local paper. If it sounds too good to be true..."
Gumtree, MyCareer, Seek, CareerOne, etc -- if Rosey's were serious about signing on talented people, would they need to advertise in this sort of place?
-- Important update (4 May 2012): if you can be bothered to read through the comments below, including my exchange with (name deleted), who sometimes reads this blog, you'll find that some people HAVE got work. I can vouch for the feedback that I myself have quoted below; you can make up your own mind whether to believe me or the comments other people have left or whatever. But I think the overriding pattern among the people I spoke to who got work -- in fact, the only pattern -- is that they've maintained contact with Rosey's. It's not looks or ability or experience -- it's hassling them. A squeaky hinge gets the oil.
So, if you're currently signed with Rosey's and are just getting radio silence, please try communicating, constantly asking for work. Complain when they try to give you work that you could just find on StarNow anyway. Demand details when they line up jobs for you that get cancelled at the last minute. Try this for a month or two, and then please post your experiences here, for positive or for negative.
Prior to being with Rosey's, I was with VOOM for about 5 years. I registered as an extra, and also spent 4 years doing acting training in various places. In that time, I received extra work about three to four times a year, and a couple of 50-word auditions -- so not frequent, by any means, but I think that's pretty much par for the course, or better than par, where agencies are concerned. I think I paid an initial sign-up/photography fee of about $150, and that was it.
The guys who run VOOM are wonderful as well.
In comparison, Rosey's...
After seeing an advertisement on Seek, I had an initial interview with a lady (name deleted), and she promised the moon. There was a lot of work for someone of "my look". There was so much demand, and not enough supply. They could also get me tonnes of auditions for proper acting roles, rather than just extra roles, and it would be up to me whether I got the jobs. And if I was interested in theatre, great! They could get me theatre auditions as well as film.
So, please sign up -- we want you.
Is it necessary to pay the "photography" fee? I've already got tonnes of photos of myself. I have photographer friends who can take more for free. -- Yes, you have to pay the fee, because our photographer is so good at his job, and it'll get you more work.
Did I want to sign up then and there? Well, no. Could I think about it first? Fine. So I went away. Thought about it. Decided not to join. Didn't call back.
A few months later, (name deleted) calls up and asks me why I haven't signed yet, offering me a discount from the usual $350 fee. I could pay $200, seeing that I was unemployed and very, very short of cash, and seeing I'd already had training and experience. In hindsight, perhaps it was a case of (name deleted) herself being short of cash, and wanting to shake the trees a little and see if anything fell down.
It sounded like a good offer, and I'm gullible. I went in, signed up. I even politely stayed quiet when she asked me to pay not $200, but the full $350, though it was an awkward silence when she named the figure.
Anyway, I took out my wallet. Photographer turned out crappy photos, and didn't shoot in a proper studio -- just went to an office and had me stand against the wall for 15 minutes. I should mention, though, that Rosey's provided an "introduction to being an extra" session, which went for two hours, and which was quite helpful.
But after that session... Well, now I've been registered for over a year -- no work, no contact, nothing. No auditions at all, not even cattle-call type auditions -- let alone any theatre auditions. If that's because no-one's looking for someone of my type, fair enough, though VOOM seemed to be able to get me work from time to time. But I guess what upsets me is that I feel Rosey's lied to me, or made false representations, to get me to join at a time in my life when I was so poor I was worried where my next meal would be coming from. So I definitely feel a bit sore at that.
Perhaps others peoples' experiences differ... Perhaps you've had a good experience. Presumably, someone must be getting work from them, and they can't be make a living just from tricking people into signing up. But I should mention that I'm far from being the only person to have had bad experiences with Rosey's. For instance, check out: Theatre Australia. The majority of comments there are negative (with some positives).
Incidentally, in that time, outside of Rosey's, I secured three low-budget feature film roles. So go figure. In the end, one has to be one's own agent.
***
Notes
-- Ask any actor or model, "Have you heard of Rosey's? What are they like?" They'll tell you...
-- OK, I've enquired about what the law is in NSW with respect to upfront fees. Basically, this area of law is covered by the Entertainment Industry Act 1989. NSW Industrial Relations, part of the NSW Department of Finance and Services, administers the Act.
I'm told that: "Clause 4(3) of the Entertainment Industry Regulations 2004 provides, in part, that an entertainment industry agent or manager must not demand or receive a fee or other form of remuneration from a performer for the performer joining or being auditioned to join any agency of the agent or manager. The Regulation, which commenced operation on 25 February 2011, sets out financial penalties for non compliance."
I'm fairly sure that if this is raised with Rosey's, they will say that the $350 is not a "joining fee", but payment for photography or for database management or creating a website, etc. But I don't know if this will stand up in court, especially in the context of what, at least up to now, has been the overall business model -- mass advertising, signing on a lot more people than they find work for, making misleading representations at the time of signing, etc. To gauge the percentage of people who've actually got work, all any investigator needs to do is invite all clients of Rosey, past and present, to give their testimony, and the glaring ratio of no jobs to jobs will be on official record for everyone to see.
So, if you're really angry with your experience with Rosey, as a first port of call contact NSW Industrial Relations and see what advice they can give to you.
-- If you notice Rosey's advertising for a big production on StarNow or elsewhere -- "Asian females urgently needed for Hollywood feature film" -- ask them some questions. Who's producing the film? Who's directing it? What's the film even about? When is it being shot? Why do you need to pay any fee -- if it's sure work, can't they take a commission instead? There's a button at the bottom of each listing for reporting to site organisers if a listing seems suspicious...
-- Noticed a user named James who seems genuine and who posted a 4/5 review at merchantcircle. Now, his seems to be the only favourable review -- all the other reviews there are either negative, or, if favourable, were posted a bunch at a time on the same day and have the same writing style! James mentions that he's been contacted by Rosey's already, though he's only been signed a week.
Well, James, if you ever read this, you've paid your cash, and I honestly wish the best for you, but let me add this -- please follow that job up and post a message here to let us know how it panned out. Was it mysteriously cancelled at the last moment? Was it an open casting for extras where places were filled just before you had a chance to apply? And let us know what happens after the first week. Are you still receiving job offers?
Brings up another point -- I honestly don't know what the situation is with respect to refunds. If you change your mind the day after you pay, are there any laws in place that would require her to refund you? Is there a time limit here, for example?
-- Comment from Tulipa on the Theatre Australia website: "No-one can promise you work. Be suspicious of anyone who gives you this guarantee in exchange for money. 'Actors and Extras urgently needed for exciting film/TV work. All sizes, looks etc'. No genuine agency is EVER desperate to take on more people, especially mass waves of people recruited from an ad in the local paper. If it sounds too good to be true..."
Gumtree, MyCareer, Seek, CareerOne, etc -- if Rosey's were serious about signing on talented people, would they need to advertise in this sort of place?
-- Important update (4 May 2012): if you can be bothered to read through the comments below, including my exchange with (name deleted), who sometimes reads this blog, you'll find that some people HAVE got work. I can vouch for the feedback that I myself have quoted below; you can make up your own mind whether to believe me or the comments other people have left or whatever. But I think the overriding pattern among the people I spoke to who got work -- in fact, the only pattern -- is that they've maintained contact with Rosey's. It's not looks or ability or experience -- it's hassling them. A squeaky hinge gets the oil.
So, if you're currently signed with Rosey's and are just getting radio silence, please try communicating, constantly asking for work. Complain when they try to give you work that you could just find on StarNow anyway. Demand details when they line up jobs for you that get cancelled at the last minute. Try this for a month or two, and then please post your experiences here, for positive or for negative.
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Comment by Anonymous
Over the following couple of years nothing. Not a single casting or contact. I emailed , phoned, people said they would help me then never followed through.
I too had the photographer photos, they were terrible and the make up applied by Rosey disgusting. Im so embarassed to have them on the web.
I since wrote a slightly offensive email to roseys and actually after 3 years received a phone call from Rosey. She did try to mend the situation yet refused to pay the money and offended me quite badly.. I quote her ' A pretty girl like you with such a bad attitude'
My attitude was the frustration of chasing someone who took $600 from me and I received nothing in return other than a headache.
Anyway your not the only one.
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Shoot.
Comment by Anonymous
Thank god i read these reviews as l myself have gone in an interview and saw Rosie who wanted me to sign up!! No more!!!
Comment by Anonymous
The $450 worth of fees for photos that make me look like a jail inmate.... There was no hair or make up done and an hour of standing against a wall with some bloke pretending to be a photographer.
On top of this are the $150 worth of parking costs and now they want $275 for acting classes.
I was promised parts in Wild Boys & The Great Gatsby and that I had the exact look for so many roles. Apparently everyone has the "right look".
What a crock!
Thinking about talking to Today Tonight to expose this "agency" as a fraud.
I wouldn't advise anyone to go through Rosey's.
Comment by Anonymous
Do NOT waist your time.
Comment by Anonymous
We are still new to the Australia and trying to get our feet wet here. It has been a little more difficult then I thought.
We were doing pretty well and knew the ropes from where we are from, but here getting your foot in the door is hard.
Thank you all,
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Comment by Anonymous
So i have to say THANK YOU for saving me $350!!
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Comment by Anonymous
me and my family and kids have been with roseys for a very long time and we are very happy and pround with them ,,
and if your bored with yourself go get a life and a job and stop bagging other businesses
Comment by Anonymous
there are many new agencies opening, and many sharks out there.make sure you never , ever join an agency that have only been open a short time,any agency open less than 5 years would be a SCAM. so ring around check them out, before going there . and ask for proof of work.BEST OF LUCK AND HAVE FUN, TRY ROSEYS
Comment by Anonymous
there are many new agencies opening, and many sharks out there.make sure you never , ever join an agency that have only been open a short time,any agency open less than 5 years would be a SCAM. so ring around check them out, before going there . and ask for proof of work.BEST OF LUCK AND HAVE FUN, TRY ROSEYS
Comment by Anonymous
there are many new agencies opening, and many sharks out there.make sure you never , ever join an agency that have only been open a short time,any agency open less than 5 years would be a SCAM. so ring around check them out, before going there . and ask for proof of work.BEST OF LUCK AND HAVE FUN, TRY ROSEYS
Comment by Anonymous
there are many new agencies opening, and many sharks out there.make sure you never , ever join an agency that have only been open a short time,any agency open less than 5 years would be a SCAM. so ring around check them out, before going there . and ask for proof of work.BEST OF LUCK AND HAVE FUN, TRY ROSEYS
Comment by Anonymous
there are many new agencies opening, and many sharks out there.make sure you never , ever join an agency that have only been open a short time,any agency open less than 5 years would be a SCAM. so ring around check them out, before going there . and ask for proof of work.BEST OF LUCK AND HAVE FUN, TRY ROSEYS
Comment by Anonymous
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Comment by Nonymous
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The owner of the blog here.
Believe it or not, I'm definitely willing to listen to reason and will try to be fair! After all, as you have seen, I have taken no action whatsoever to delete any of the comments you've posted (and you've posted quite a few). So I do believe in free speech.
I believe your complaint is partially justified. I shall endeavour to remove all specific names of individuals. I don't have the ability to modify posts -- only to delete them. For this reason, later on tonight (I am unable to do so at the moment), I'll delete and repost any comments that have named specific people with "(name deleted)" in place of the name.
On the other side of this censoring discussion, however, I do think it's important to say that "defamation" is "the making of a false imputation". There are two important defences under NSW law:
"Truth
Truth (which is also called justification) is probably the best defence. Formerly in some states (such as NSW, Queensland, Tasmania and the ACT) truth was only a defence if you could prove that a ‘public interest’ was served by publishing the defamatory words. This requirement has been dropped from the Uniform Defamation Law and now there is a defence if the defendant can prove that the defamatory imputations are substantially true.
Honest opinion
To use the defence of honest opinion you do not need to prove the truth of your comment. In some cases this is not possible, especially if it is an opinion rather than a fact. You only need to convince the judge or jury that your comments were your honestly-held opinion and that it was:
•clearly a matter of opinion and not a statement of fact and
•it related to a matter of public interest and
•it was based on ‘proper material’ (i.e. substantially true or based on privileged material)
The defence can be defeated if the plaintiff can prove that the opinion was not honestly held."
I do believe that what I wrote originally, and what most people have been saying (with one or two exceptions), would pass as both true and honestly held under this sort of test. Let me know if you think otherwise. For instance, which part of the original post, specifically, do you think is false?
Incidentally, I can tell from your comments that you believe I represent a rival talent agency or previous employee. This is not true. I'm simply a very disappointed and dissatisfied client, like most of the people who have posted.
If you think anything I've written is unreasonable, or if this reply doesn't satisfy you, let me know! Happy to talk about it.
Comment by Nonymous
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Hi there fellow actor/model wanna b's. I just the other day went to Rosey's WOW!!!!! Where does one start. I came across this agency via starnow.com, I was contacted by a lady calling herself (name deleted). She expalined how amazing I was and how I looked a cross between Brad Pitt and David Beckham- which since I do I wasn't suprised. Anyway I asked her whether or not her agency scouted models or asked them to pay membership fees ect. She promised me that they scouted models therefore there was NO costs to me, No upfront fees, no deposits, no membership fees, no registration costs ect..none. So I arranged to have an interview thinking they wanted to meet me face to face get an idea of how I carry myself, discuss the types of roles I'd be suitable for and what if I signed with them they expected of me in regards to being professional ect. Anyway after a lengthy trip into sydney and a stressful search found it. I brought along my girlfriend. When we got to the reception we were greeted and signed in then sat down. About 10 mins later we were called into an office by a lady calling herself (name deleted). She looked like an catherine Zita Jones (the drag queen version) had her mouldy melons hanging out like two monkeys swinging from a tree....LOVELY. Trying not to look down we took our seats. She immediatly began rimming us both, "wow you two are sooo beautiful, your shit smells like coco Chanel, you make brad pitt and angelina Jolie look like trolls" ect ect then all of a sudden it came out of her mouth and was dumbed on us as if it was a turd from her arse hole. There is just the membership fee to pay....$350...wow I said to her thats cheap...not,I continued to explain that I had been in films such as xmen, captain america and John carter of mars ect none of the agencies that got me these jobs charged me anything.So why did they charge?? Oh this reason that bulshit reason ect ect just any excuse that popped into her brainless head and lieing rotton teeth. I told her straight fuck that I aint paying nothing and pretty much walked out. These guys are SCUM...selling dreams to people who are vunerable to their bullshit. The industry is fucking hard enough as it is without cunts like this praying for your virgin bum hole to shaft with an almighty tree trunk....If you pay them $350 then please call me because the help Joe get a lambo fund is in far more need of your money than the help rosey get another Mansion fund. My final verdict on Rosey's so called "talent" agency is this....they are cunts looking to rip off any idiot dumb enough to believe their horse shit, use your brain not your ego when dealing with these dickheads. Yours truely DEATHROWJOE
Comment by Nonymous
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Yes (name deleted) is the current con artist they have working trying to rope all the vulnerable young girls in.
I've been modelling for 5 years and have been in magazines and tv ads. I moved to sydney and got contacted by roseys via starnow. Before I even went in I knew just by her voice on phone she was a FILTHY liar and was just trying to pay the lease on the office by roping in people to pay her joining fee.
I had to go into the city the day I met her anyway and there was also another guy there for the ' casting ' . It was all a lie, there was no casting, she was just trying to get me to pay.
I gave her a mouthful of abuse, she is a skanky liar and I dreaded watching the young girls waiting in there with their mums about to be told how beautiful they were etc etc - but wait ! you have to pay to join and have your photos taken by a guy i saw feeding his face with maccas in the back room. The girls waiting with their mums were not model quality sorry
Seriously, this is not a modelling agency. This is a con job.
I'm highly connected, she had no idea who she crossed this time this fake agency will crumble soon - just watch
They have company logos painted on the wall of ' clients ' they have worked for, naughty naughty naughty - it's all false.
Comment by Nonymous
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Gosh, could the post above be from (name deleted) or (name deleted) herself? It's all true - gosh, you're so pretty, you've got such a versatle look, that'll be $350 thanks - or $600.00 for 5 years. What??? My friends take better photos than their so called 'photographer' and a 3 hour acting course??? What am I going to learn in 3 hours??? If my interviewer had more time for me and hadn't kept cutting me off with her false flattery I might have been taken in, but after 10 mins having taken no measurements nor asked for an audition piece and I am apparently ready to go! I don't think so. As if modelling and acting is just about appearance - you can be as hot as you want, but if you have a funny walk, good luck with that! I hate the fact that they are obviously spying on this site and my comments may give them tips on how to better their act, but seriously, considering how blatant they are in their unprofessionalism, I don't think they know any better. I'd say it was a waste of my time, but it wasn't - now I know how to spot a con! Thanks Rosey's
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Comment by Anonymous
U all are a bunch if loosers, no job, no, career, future, obviously no LIFE, bored frustrated, losers, with so much time on your hands, riddled with jealously, Time to insult, slander, and attack , with every bit of hattred u have in that worthless body of yours to gossip, gossip, gossip about good business, u need to get a life. Or find an interest that u like other that the rubbish u are writing about a great agency.
Stop the jealousy, stop the harrasment, get a life.
Comment by Nonymous
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I have had more than 15 jobs , in 3 months , so all that rubbish about Roseys not getting work, it might be just u, take a look at yourseld if you butt ugly, or have shit attitude, that y you havent had work, all i can say ids Roseys are the best , the most shitest agent, and agency id sydney is (name deleted), i went there , i met a old lady called (name deleted), she must habe won great awards for the amout lies, she tryed to feed me, WHAT A F LIAR, told me she was a super model, in 1950. and kept talking about herself, herself, herself, wasnt interested in me.
all i can say is DONT GO THERE .AND (name deleted), U ARE OVERDUE FOR RETIREMENT . OR NURSING HOME.
Comment by LEGAl Facts
AGENTS are not your employers, you employ them and legally you pay for the tools. so it is incorrect to call any agency scammers in N S W because of upfront costs for your tools of the trade.including website, database, and photos. You are able to say no and not join. Agents are within their legal right in this state to ask and receive legit admin costs upfront. You also get a Tax deduction for your costs incurred this proves also that the government approves and considers this legal. Until such time that the law is changed there is no scam in upfront fees in NSW
Comment by Anonymous
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It is a crime to in Australia , to victimize, slander, and intentionally set out to ruin -a reputable business, Roseys is one of Australias longest running business, delegating, 1000s of jobs for talent or all ages, sizes, looks, nationalities, with no experience and also professionals. Please feel free to look at our website at the wide range of jobs Roseys has placed people. Also the great testimonials on there site. Why do you think it's fair to try and distroy this , business that gives do many Australians a chance to work in this hard society, all I can say to you , is imagine Some one does this you , personally, and aims to destroy your successful business , u have worked so hard to build in 20 years.
Take time look inside yourself and the wrong you are doing , and remember that this could be happening to you, i
Comment by Nonymous
Philosophy Blog
I don't intend to cause you or any other human being suffering or distress, and I apologise if this blog does. But if you have a bad experience at a restaurant, how could there be anything wrong with posting a review at eatability? If you have a bad experience with a talent agency, how could it be wrong to tell people about it?
It may be wrong, both legally and morally, to lie about a business, but there's nothing wrong with telling the truth. And the truth is that a lot of people, including myself, have paid you a lot of money and got no work out of it. And that's all that this blog says -- it simply reports facts.
I haven't claimed that you never find people work. For all I know, you do. But I do know that a lot of the time you don't.
You ask me to look inside myself. Well, when I do, I just think, "No, there's no reason I shouldn't tell the truth. This is what happened. Why should I lie about it?"
Would it be impolite to ask you to look inside yourself as well? How do you justify doing what you do? Do you tell yourself that your customers are greedy or stupid, and therefore deserve to be cheated? Do you tell yourself that you need the money, or the agency needs the money to keep going, so there's nothing wrong with what you're doing?
But don't you ever get tired of doing this to people? Don't you find it stressful dealing with so many angry customers? Don't you ever think, "OK, I've done this for years. I've made a lot of money out of it. It's time to get out"? Wouldn't you feel better if you didn't have to scam people to make a living? I'm honestly interested. Please feel free to send me a personal message reply if you don't want to reply publicly.
If it's any consolation, I personally believe that very few people have read this blog, or will read it in future, so I doubt it's made any difference to the number of people you sign up.
Comment by Anonymous
They may have their core group of talent that gets works but I'm yet to hear (with my own ears) from anyone that has got work. I have been sent to one casting in a year and a half and sometimes they text me dance auditions that I could easily find on starnow or through my own contacts.
One of the very good things that Rosey's do is show you a listing of registered agents in Sydney from MEAA. So it's clearly legit because their registered, but registered doesn't mean they are good or do the right thing by their talent. And the last time I dealt with MEAA unfortunately (sorry to say it) they don't have much of a say in anything.
I now have a modeling/commercial agent that I have been with for weeks and they have already got me work and castings - without having to pay an upfront fee.
I can't believe I was stupid enough to pay the fee, would really like to get the money back as I've clearly got a look that can be used, just Rosey's don't do anything for you, how could they with that many people on their books?
Just think about it and do your research.
Comment by Anonymous
Sure an agency has to have a selection of talent and not everyone is going to get work but you would at least expect to be sent for castings.
No joke every job that Rosey's has told me about is clearly posted on StarNow and quite honestly I think this is where they hear about most jobs.
Comment by Nonymous
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I have received working through Roseys and I regularly attending auditions and castings through them. Sometimes I'm cast from my photos so just turn up to act/model on the day.
I don't think the photographer there is any good and they obviously didn't either as they changed all the photos to ones I'd provided them from someone else.
They're a little disorganised but always friendly.
I've been on a number of jobs where others have been cast directly from photos also and they have all said they get a lot of work through Roseys. Mixed reviews on how quickly they pay and organisation as well. Payment times vary after a job between 4-6 weeks.
Talent needs to be very clear with the agency regarding the kind of work they want, what they are and aren't prepared to do and also on the $ from each job. If you have dealt with agents before and are assertive you'll do well with them.
Comment by Anonymous
If you are a genuine member and not just an agency in competition u would have received an agency agreement, that you should have read, prior to any service , that clearly states , there is no Guarentee of work, the interviewer also would have told you that. You were not signed up by any force or con, it is clearly left up to u.
So once again , not everyone gets work thats correct,, people are told that before they
read sign the agreent, And it's not against the Law in to pay for your pictured, or to get a 3 hour casting , and industry knowledge class, or be represented on there website for years , and get comp cards made up. Face it what do u get for free in the world, is it water , no. Electricity no, s sheet of paper ,no,a tooth pick no, grass , no. And any industry , or business , there are fees , to pay .
So why should any one work for free, Do U. So stop the open abuse , stop , the open harassment, and stop the destruction you are intending.
Comment by Nonymous
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You say "abuse", "harrassment", "destruction". I say "truth".
My honest opinion is that the interviewer at least sometimes makes false representations, and because of this it's fair to use words like "con" or "cheat" or "scam", even if there's nothing wrong with the written agreement itself.
It's not promised you'll earn any money -- that's true. But my interviewer did verbally promise I'd be sent out to a lot of auditions and that it would be up to me whether I landed the job. Since I wasn't sent out to any auditions at all, I'd argue that there's at least a breach of verbal contract.
She also emphasised, generally, that there was a huge amount of work available and told me I had the right look to get it, etc, etc.
Rosey, when people sign up, they believe they're buying more than a few photos and a webpage. They actually think that Rosey's will actively look for work for them. But can you honestly say you do actively look for work for all your clients? How hard are you trying?
If other agencies can send people out to auditions 2-4 times a month, why can Rosey's only find auditions for people once every few years? And why is this such a common pattern -- why have so many people had the same experience as I've had?
An important comment I want to add -- I've just posted a positive review above this comment, as you can see. And I have another (semi-)positive review that I'll post presently. So, to everyone reading this, Rosey's does find some people work, and that's good to hear.
But isn't it also true that the percentage of people who do get work is very, very small?
Comment by Nonymous
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Basically, this person says:
* They have landed jobs -- three jobs over a year.
* They have to constantly be contacting Rosey via Facebook and calling them to get work.
* The income from the jobs they got was small amounts and might only just cover the sign-up fee for one year.
* What this person wanted to emphasise was that if you rely on Rosey's to contact you, they'll forget about you. So, when dealing with Rosey's, communication is the key to getting work.
* This person did believe you would make your money back from the sign up fee if you continually asked Rosey for work.
Comment by What the?
Ah I see so you are sneakily pitching for work in this blog pretending to be a genuine 'concerned' citizen? puuulleeze pull the other one - you probably earn money from this blog, Orbie pays members and you are promoting your photography and production services to get money AND not pay anyone if they are dumb enough to work for you - - Nah none of these reviews not ONE of these reviews are genuine, you've written the lot yourself - you should win the award for Fictional blogger of the year- you're the rip off
Comment by Anonymous
........."Very unlikely to be paid work" .......huh??
And then .........." but, no, I won't be charging any fees" .........
oh right let's get this straight Mr Nonymous,aka Adrian,aka Joe
You state that you mostly don't pay actors/extras who appear in your films
(not paying extras or actors is ILLEGAL in most states and countries in the world and against australian equity regulations ) you admit that you are for hire so that is a commercial enterprise - you should have paid them
and you 'won't be charging them fees? Bloody right - if they work for you why should they pay you ? you should be paying Them!
Comment by Anonymous
BLOGGER, THIS IS ROSEY , FROM ROSEYS TALENT CONSULTANTS, (ROSEY), IS A BUSINESS NAME , (ROSEY) IS ALSO A PERSONS NAME, (((MY NAME))), I HAVE BEEN TO A FEW GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS, AND CONFIRMED YOU ARE BRFEAKING THE LAW WITH INTENTION TO DESTROY..
THEY ARE INVESTIGATION YOU NOW AND THEY WILL BE INTOUCH WITH YOU, I SUGGEST YOU, TAKE DOWN THE ROSEYS TALENT CONSULTANTS BLOGG, OR YOU WILL DEAL WITH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT, AND IF YOU DONT PROVE YOU EVER WERE A TALENT OF ROSEYS , AND JUST ENOTHER AGENT INTENTINALLY TRYING TO DESTROY THE GOOD REPUTATION ROSEY HAVE , THEN YOU WILL BE CHARGED, WE GIVE YOU 12 HOURS TO DELETE THE SITE .
Comment by Nonymous
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Please personal message me the contact details of the government officials you say you’ve been in contact with. I’m happy to correspond with them and to cooperate with any investigation. If they find that I’ve acted in any way incorrectly, of course I’ll take steps to redress the situation. I’ve said to you already that I’m willing to listen to reason, and I think you’d have to admit that all my messages to you have been polite and fair. But if you want to go down this path, are you sure you’re willing for your business practices to be opened to government scrutiny?
My position is still that my initial post is perfectly legal. More than that, I think it’s the morally right thing to do. If you have a really bad experience of anything, of course you should tell people about it! Surely you’d agree.
By the way, nope, I didn’t fabricate any of the comments here, nor any of the other comments you’ve seen on Google Reviews, Merchant Circle, etc. It really is just all of your customers finally deciding to talk about their experiences.
I would suggest to you, and I mean no disrespect by saying this, but perhaps the solution is neither to ask your staff to post fake positive reviews that everyone can see through, nor to use intimidation tactics in response to honest opinion. Instead -- what’s wrong with actually getting people work? Then the positive comments will start to flow in.
I don’t think there’s any reasonable doubt that a lot of people who’ve signed up to Rosey’s in the past haven’t got what they thought they were paying for. But there’s no reason this pattern has to continue in future.
Comment by What the?
Answer the question about not paying wages for actors what's your story ?
Comment by Nonymous
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It's true that I thought you were probably Rosey. But I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt, though I maintain my skepticism. If not Rosey, who do you say you are? Rosey staff member, client, another agency, random passer by?
I didn't answer your question because I didn't think you seriously wanted a response.
Most of the short fims I make are non-professional gigs. It's a case of getting together with your friends, with a camera. There's no money made from them, so everyone involved does it for fun or for experience or for love. And everyone involved knows upfront there's no money involved.
There's a thousand such movies being made on StarNow, as I'm fairly sure you know. Are you seriously saying there's something wrong with this? You're outraged that there's amateur films, student films, etc out there being made where the cast are not being paid?
On the rare occasions where I'm getting paid for doing a job (corporate gig or TV), then actors are of course paid as well.
For the record: nope, no money earned from this blog (check with Orble admin if you like); and my production services are not promoted either (since there is no mention of my production company nor of how to contact it).
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Comment by Frank s
I agree Chris, Rosey are fantastic, hard working agents, that love and live for the industry, show in the challengers that come there way everyday, I joined Roseys in 2004, and recieved so much work, that kept me real busy, and made really good money, 2012, I'm still there, and still loving the work , don't believe the rubbish u read on blogs about Roseys , they do get many people work, call them and try it yourself, call and speak to there lovely staff on 92836369.
Try them
Comment by Brendan Byrne
I am not saying that all that crap above is a lie by some one who has a grudge, but show yourself and add some credibility to your ravings. I am not hiding behind an alias or 'anonymous' name. you can find me here; http://itsallof.me/brendan
Comment by Nonymous
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Your comment seems more genuine than... well, to be honest, all of the positive-to-Rosey's comments that I haven't posted myself. So, if you are indeed Brendan, thank you for adding your perspective.
Have to say -- I think I'm happy to live with anonymity for the time being. You're right -- this makes my mad, crazy, wild rantings less credible, but that's fine. People can read all the comments on this blog and make up their own mind.
By the way, for anyone who's reading this, here's another positive comment someone has messaged me about Rosey's, and I think it makes some useful points:
Any model who expects work to be just handed to them with little effort or expecting an agency to guarantee you work is clearly deluded, however I do expect if you're with an agency they source more work for you than you looking for it yourself.
I've not personally had any issues with Roseys; they were polite/to the point during the interview process, I had suitable images in my portfolio so they didn't insist I re-shoot for anything, I have had a few great paying jobs with them the last year, and they send me to regular-enough castings (even if cattle ones) - and I'm only a model with them, not an extra or actor.
I think from the perspective of models/extras if they go a year and have not heard from an agency they're with, what have they done to rectify that themselves? I think I big part of why I get regular castings with Roseys is because I keep them updated with what I am doing, send new photos, etc... The relationship goes both ways.
Yes there is a part of me that wishes there were more castings/work, though I am realistic and know that I am one of a few million people all trying to do the same thing.
To be honest there are a multitude of agencies that you could do a poor write up of, everyone has different experiences, though I guess I'm one that seems to have done ok with Roseys thus far!!
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Comment by Nonymous
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I've spoken to a lot of people who've been to Rosey's, and I went there myself. The overriding pattern amongst the very few people who did seem to get work (whose feedback I've posted in comments above) was not that they had incredible looks or acting ability, but that they maintained contact. This seems to be true, in fact, of everyone who's got any work from them.
If you're able to try this for a month or two, please feel free to leave your honest feedback here, for postiive or negative.
If you're no longer at Rosey's, I'd encourage you to spend your money in a different place -- at StarNow. If you're willing to do unpaid work, there's countless jobs where you can build up a resume and experience. I can pretty much guarantee you'll get these sorts of jobs if you're willing to put yourself out there. There's even an occasional paid job. Alternatively, if you want to get another agent, find an actor friend who can recommend someone to you. Maybe take an acting course and ask the teacher.
Don't let your bad experience with Rosey's stand in the way of an acting career if it's really what you want to do. One common pattern amongst people who are successful at this is that they keep at it. It's normally at least 5-10 years before you get any sort of break. But if you keep at it, and keep developing your craft, improving your skills every day, you eventually get there.
Best of luck to you!
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