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Michael Jackson was the world's favourite paedophile.

June 29th 2009 09:49
There is no denying Michael Jackson was the most famed singer of all time. He moonwalked his way into the spotlight as part of the Jackson 5, and quickly cemented himself as a fine talent.

Did Wacko-Jacko's celebrity status and wealth protect him from the law? In my opinion, there is no doubt it did. With a legion of fans willing to do anything for him, he was untouchable.




Are we willing to forget that Jackson was a sickening paedophile?

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Comment by Damo

June 29th 2009 06:17
The problem is. Now we may never know.


Comment by azangelina

June 29th 2009 06:34
I still think he was innocent and it was all about the $$$$

PS i really dont like that mug shot. Each time i see it i get goosebumps - it's so haunting!

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 06:36
There's no doubt in my mind Damo. I know people say that the boys just wanted money, and that's why they said Michael molested them. But if you think about it, they would have been better off blackmailing him and getting the money that way rather than bringing it to the attention of the media, facing scrutiny and having to live in hiding.

He did touch those boys, and I am sure there were more, we can only pray that God will help his victims find peace and hope.

Aimee

Comment by Anonymous

June 29th 2009 07:24
slagging off a dead person -- good on you..

what made u think that the boys and their families didn't try blackmailing him in the first place? maybe it didn't work? maybe they would have been prosecuted for blackmailing?

i can't see how blackmailing him would've been better than bringing it to the attention of the public where MJ would be hounded by the press -- regardless of any truth in the claim.


Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 07:33
Well Michael chose to live in the public spotlight. Does death automatically absolve a person of responsibility for their crimes?

Aimee

Comment by Anonymous

June 29th 2009 07:46
again, incorrect. the public spotlight was thrusted upon him by his involvement with the jackson 5 from a young age. it anyone was to blame it'd be his father who saw him as his meal ticket.

Exactly what crime did he commit? if u're thinking child molestation and 'paedophilia' as you put it, then he was acquitted of those charges.

Comment by RubySoho

June 29th 2009 08:04
Haven't you seen The Chaser? Everyone's a top bloke after death.

In any case, he was acquited of the second accusation. The first? I have serious doubts about any parents that can trade off their child's integrity for a few bucks.

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 08:17
The Chaser, oh gosh, I think that show actually oversteps the mark more than Rove. They are just so insensitive - and to think that they're on a Government Funded network.

Aimee

Comment by samaritan

June 29th 2009 10:53
I like the Chaser. Some of it is pretty tasteless. But some of it is quite funny. I don't watch it anymore, because I don't tend to watch any TV anymore.

With the show about being a top bloke when you've died, I remember I saw it the day after it had aired. Because I had taped it for some reason. And so I had already heard all the talk about it and was expecting something terrible. But I didn't think it was too bad - well not as bad as what I was expecting anyway.

As for whether Michael Jackson was a paedophile, I think it's really hard to tell. It's possible the kids were just making it up. It's possible he really did do it. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Samaritan


Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 11:02
I've not actually seen an episode of The Chaser right the way through Samaritan, though I've heard many of the negative reports on the show in the news.

Their Make-A-Realistic-Wish skit in my opinion really was abhorrent. It's one thing to poke fun at an adult, but mocking terminally ill children - utterly shameful.

I think Michael Jackson's own PR people have a lot to answer for. How many of the bizarre stories about him and his life were simply created to keep him in the spot light - that's what I would like to know most.

Aimee



Comment by jimmy

June 29th 2009 11:54
Aimee
I don't believe Michael Jackson was a paedophile. What makes you so sure he was?

Comment by jimmy

June 29th 2009 12:00
And he was a great, absolutely unique talent.

Comment by Anonymous

June 29th 2009 12:45
I think he did it... Too many accounts and claims otherwise.

He was good back in the day, but I haven't liked him since the claims. Plus, his appearance and music hasn't been the same since.

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 12:51
I don't think anyone is denying his unique talent Jimmy. It's simply that I, along with many others, believe the child molestation claims against him were true.

O. J. Simpson was acquitted of murder in 1995 - I still believe that he was guilty.

Aimee

Comment by jimmy

June 29th 2009 13:17
Plenty of people would agree with you about O.J Simpson- but why do you assume Michael Jackson was guilty of these charges? Dead or alive, rich or poor, ipaedophilia is a monstrous charge to make against someone unless the evidence is irrefutable.

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 13:24
Is paedophilia any greater an accusation than murder - either act results in the destruction of life.

I suppose it is just a gut feeling, women's intuition. It's hard to explain Jimmy, but it feels certain.

Aimee

Comment by jimmy

June 29th 2009 13:42
My opinion is that paedophilia often comes very close to murder but I wouldn't rely on woman's intuition to make such a pronouncement about another person.
I'm not shy of voicing y certainties either but it sounds to me like you have been influenced by the salacious and irresponsible journalism that accompanied poor Michael Jackson for a great deal of his life. And avaricious hangers-on, no doubt.
Teresa

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 13:52
My opinion has certainly been influenced by the media, in the same way it has in regard to O. J. Simpson. I mentioned in an earlier comment that I would like to know just how much of what was reported about Wacko Jacko stemmed from his own PR think-tank.

It seems to me that much of Jackson's life was fantasy - I wonder if he even knew what was going on, or if those who were making money off him were controlling him as their puppet.

I think it is a terrible situation, and I feel extreme sadness not only for the children involved in the molestation claims, but also for Jackson's own children who will be in custody limbo for some time yet.

Aimee

Comment by thisbusinessofart

June 29th 2009 14:23
Okay, I just clicked onto your actual blog to see if there was anything of substance.

This proves that you are a soulless right-wing sheep who probably thinks Today Tonight is a credible news source.

If you're going to call the King of Pop anything like that, at least have the factual or legal evidence to back it up. "Not guilty", the last time I checked, means "Not guilty".

Pathetic.

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 29th 2009 14:39
Stalking me now, well aren't you brave. I have made it clear, thebusinessofart, that this is my own personal opinion - though it is one I share with many others. Have I denied anywhere that Michael was a great talent?

No need to get your knickers in a twist simply because someone you've never met wrote a blog about someone you'll also never meet - stop being so precious.

Aimee

Comment by thisbusinessofart

June 29th 2009 14:58
Reading two of your small-minded blogs makes me a stalker? Fuck, you ARE easily offended. Wait until I start hanging around your house and sniffing your underwear.

have made it clear, thebusinessofart (THIS), that this is my own personal opinion - though it is one I share with many others.

Just because you share it with many others, doesn't make it any more valid.

"If ten million people have a bad idea, it's still a bad idea".

I'll stop being so precious when you stop being such a judgemental attention seeker.

Comment by Ye-Ha

June 29th 2009 21:19
Can you prove it?

If not why smear him posthumously?

Let the guy finally rest in peace!


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Comment by Tracy

June 29th 2009 22:33
I agree, Moonglow:

From that picture of him, we can see that Michael Jackson was harder on himself than any court of law was.


Tracy

Comment by katyzzz

June 29th 2009 22:49
Let's hope the truth will out, even posthumously will do. We have to think of the rights of the child, not cover up.

Comment by Tracy

June 29th 2009 22:54
That's true, katyzzz. I personally just don't trust some of the media...

Comment by Anonymous

June 29th 2009 23:12
OMG He never slept with any children! He was proved innocent! Michael Jackson never got to do any kid things when he was a kid so when he got older he still wanted to be a kid. So he was having sleepovers.

T_T

The man is a legend and Dead. R.I.P

So don't try to Bad-mouth him. Hater.

Comment by samaritan

June 29th 2009 23:20
I agree that Michael Jackson was a unique talent. And that just makes the way he turned out all the more sad. And it goes to show that the things that the world considers important, ie. money and fame, really aren't that important after all.

I also think that accusing of someone of paedophilia is something that should never be done lightly. However, there is a difference between accusing a celebrity who you've never met of paedophilia and accusing someone you know. This blog is hardly likely to do any damage to Michael Jackson's reputation.

And in all honesty, there's probably quite a few people who thought he was guilty, but immediately seemed to forget that fact once he died.

And I think, regardless of whether he was guilty or not, we should spare a thought for the boys involved. Either way, they must be going through some pretty strong emotions at the moment. They deserve our prayers, whatever the truth of the matter is.

Samaritan


Comment by Bryn

June 29th 2009 23:36
I've read a superb biography on MJ called Michael Jackson - The Magic & The Madness by J. Randy Taraborrelli, who was a family friend for years. It was first published in 1991, and then updated in 2003/04.
It paints a sad portrait of a disturbed individual who struggled to lead an adult life, when most of his childhood had been utterly dysfunctional. MJ wanted to be white and wanted to be Diana Ross. He also mourned the loss of his childhood, never had a proper sexual relationship with a woman, and sought solace and intimacy through friendships with adolescents that were considered improper. No one really knows what went on between him and those boys except him and them. I'm in two minds. It didn't help MJ that he screwed with his physical appearance so much that he looked like a monster, so fueled the suspicions that he acted like one too.
For me - and I'll continue to champion this - his music speaks volumes. Regardless of his freaky personality and alleged aberrant behaviour.
The first album I ever bought, aged 11, was Off The Wall. I love MJ's early music. I lost interest with the Bad album, although there are some great songs on it.
He was a phenomenal talent. But Quincy Jones was instrumental in his solo career.
It might sound perverse, but I was looking forward to watching him grow more and more into an eccentric hermit. I didn't expect him to die suddenly aged 50. I anticipated that he wouldn't get through the 50 comeback concerts, and I strongly doubted he'd ever make any kind of musically credible return.
MJ had a huge closet of demons and skeletons. underground sources within the music industry say he was most definitely a child molester. But I reckon we'll never really know, just as we'll never really know who killed JFK and if Marilyn Monroe was murdered.

Comment by Ye-Ha

June 30th 2009 00:05
It wasn't just his music but all of his humanitarian efforts. He used his celebrity status in countless unselfish ways.

Comment by Stewie

June 30th 2009 00:21
If Jackson was a grain of rice he couldn't pass himself off as a maggot !

Comment by moonglow

June 30th 2009 00:51

Comment by Elisabeth Fraser

June 30th 2009 03:09
As Damo said.

We may never know.

And as Aimee has stated it is only her personal opinion.

By the way Aimee, I did enjoy your responses to the various 'Anonymouses' and the 'knicker-sniffers'. I had to chuckle.

Oh dear me, NEVER underestimate a woman's intuition!

My opinion on MJ and children? I don't know, but I do know that we're going see absolute tons of drivel hit the papers, the Internet and other media. Somewhere in that lot will be a tiny grain of truth.

Lis.

I had to correct a few spelling errors! That's why I modified

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 03:20
Would you just crawl away already THISbusinessofart...

Wait until I start hanging around your house and sniffing your underwear.
I'd really rather you didn't. If you insist I'll be waiting. I'm not scared of a little boy.

I'll stop being so precious when you stop being such a judgemental attention seeker.
Let's just get one thing straight buddy - I have never sought the attention of creeps like you.

Aimee


Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 03:21
From that picture of him, we can see that Michael Jackson was harder on himself than any court of law was.
Good point moonglow.

Aimee

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 03:27
Thanks for your comments Elisabeth. It's nice to know there's a few people out there who bother to read what I have written before jumping on the band wagon.

As for the anonymous folk, where on earth do they come from - I'm not sure I'm able to keep up with them!

I do know that we're going see absolute tons of drivel hit the papers, the Internet and other media. Somewhere in that lot will be a tiny grain of truth.
I'm sure your right - we'll just have to wait and see what crazy stuff comes out.

Aimee

Comment by Lilla

June 30th 2009 04:31
Hi Aimee,

My take equals Bryns for the most part, but I think that having just been diagnosed with cancer : with 50 world concerts pending, the only way to go is to fake a death and live out the rest of your life in peace and quiet.

The photo of him on the stretcher going into the ambulance was of a skin darker than his was. So with enough impoersonators about the place now, he can pass easily into oblivion, just like Elvis perhaps?

Who the hell knows? All I know is that HE HAD GIVEN ENOUGH OF HIS LIFE TO MAKIND FOR A MORTAL BEING and as Bryn points out was suffering from a loss of childhood from his own abuses.

Not all kids that were molested themselves end up molesting.

We all know his father was a sadistic bastard, that's for sure, yet he too goes unpunished like Ike Turner.

I think it is wrong of you to post such an attention grabbing headline that contually keeps the focus on possible negatives and not Michael's love of humanity to keep going no matter what. I hope you enjoy the $2 you may make out of it. Perhaps you should ask what joys Michael bought to your teenage with his fabulous music and energy, or perhaps reflect on what joy have you given to your neighbourhood lately?

Lilla ..


Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 04:51
But I think it is wrong of you to post such an attention grabbing headline that contually keeps the focus on the negative and not his love of humanity.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point Lilla. I picked the title as it relates to my post.

There are numerous posts on Orble paying tribute to Michael, I am simply providing another aspect to his life.

Is there any difference between my post, and your comment regarding MJ's father - we are both entitled to our opinions Lilla, no matter how diverse they may be.
I do know his father was a sadistic bastard, that's for sure.

Please don't for a moment think I denying Michael's talents as an artist - he was the self professed King of Pop - and no one can take that away.

What joy have you given to your neighbourhood lately?
I am employed as a Home and Community Carer Lilla. My work may not have the reach of Jackson's but in my own way I feel I am giving what I can to those in need.

Aimee

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 05:01
P.s. Lilla there was no need for you to soften -edit- your remarks. I respect your right to disagree with me, and as you can see I have not tried to stop anyone from posting their opinions - so long as they are not attacking any fellow bloggers.

Aimee

Comment by RubySoho

June 30th 2009 05:24
A home and community carer? I'm impressed. You're an intriguing one Aimee. I look forward to more of your posts as you reveal more aspects about your apparently eclectic personality.

p.s i think if mj was going to fake his own death he would have waited until after his series of 50 concerts which would have made him a pretty penny. but isn't it funny how people seem to keep cropping back from the dead? even after they have made a big song and dance about leaving us...

Comment by BobB

June 30th 2009 08:58
Aimee
On my last post -which was largely ignored - I wrote about green bananas.
This anonymous monkey reminds me of Bubbles - Michael Jackson's monkey. I dont believe Michael had sex with anyone other than Bubbles the male monkey. I also believe Bubbles then inseminated Ms Rowe orally.
Bubbles the Orble monkey is also almost untouchable. If he didn't touch himself up now and again all he would have to fall back upon would be a bitten pillow and a fake psychology degree.
I have nothing against gays other than they are gay. Im very homophobic but I think to be vilified as a homophobe is akin to being poofta bashed. Both are wrong. So wrong. It makes me as sick to the stomach as bad peanuts and and overdose on black jellybeans.
I'm pretty certain Michael Jackson overdosed on Orble. He came onto this site once, had a heart attack and died.
I'm BobB. And you wish you were.

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 09:05
Yes RubySoho, I provide in home care to elderly or people with special needs. It's quite a common profession.

Aimee

Comment by Natalina

June 30th 2009 09:35
My opinion has always been that MJ suffered from Peter Pan syndrome, and never wanted to grow up, hence..Neverland. I don't believe in my heart that he molested children. I just don't. I think because of the above stated lack of childhood that he had, he pursued perpetual youth as an adult.

Also, since he was always surrounded by people who cared for him, he never really had an opportunity to grow up, and therefore I think he surrounded himself with kids because he could identify with them better than adults. That's my take.

Aimee, I'm not at all trying to pick a fight, but I want to point out that while you are absolutely entitled to your opinion..

He did touch those boys, and I am sure there were more

isn't an opinion, it's an accusation and implication of a fact, which isn't really fair since you don't know any more than the rest of us do.

I think that Michael Jackson was an anomalous creature in our world where we try to fit everyone into a box that makes sense. It is possible that he simply reacted to the world differently than the average person, and saw kids as friends. This concept is foreign to most of us, but perhaps that was his reality.

Comment by S.L.

June 30th 2009 09:39
Michael Jackson will probably become like Elvis (who has left the building), more legendary as time goes on. And the media will fan the flames of fame until we're all sick of hearing it (I already am, as a matter of fact).

Aimee, my grand niece just got a job cooking for people in a nursing home. I like to hear about young folks taking good care of the old! Good for you!

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 09:44
I wouldn't for a second think you were just trying to pick a fight Natalina - there is nothing offensive about what you have written. You have just simply stated an opinion different to my own.

I can accept that I have made some harsh statements here - but I will stand by them, the same as I am sure you will stand by your opinion that he suffered from Peter Pan Syndrome.

It is possible that he simply reacted to the world differently than the average person, and saw kids as friends.
Regardless of whether he saw kids as friends or simply got along with them better than adults there are boundaries, and I believe he overstepped them.

Aimee

Comment by Natalina

June 30th 2009 09:50
Thanks Aimee. I guess my beef is that there was a qualifier with my statement.."It is possible...I think...In my opinion...." etc. I just didn't think that the "He did...I am sure..." was fair. But to echo Damo...we will never know.

Btw, my mother and brother are both elderly care givers. They both love their work and find it to be very rewarding. I would never have the patience for it, but thank God there are those that do.

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 09:52
Michael Jackson will probably become like Elvis (who has left the building), more legendary as time goes on.
I don't think anyone will disagree with you on that point S.L.

Your grand niece has chosen a great career! I'm sure she will love it.

Aimee

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 09:56
I would never have the patience for it, but thank God there are those that do.
It can be very testing at times, but I think any job has it's up's & down's.

I'm on a fortnights leave at the moment, and I must admit the break is nice - I'm looking forward though to going back and catching up with all of my favourite clients.

Aimee

Comment by S.L.

June 30th 2009 10:01
BobB, trust me on this... nobody wishes they were you! I'm sure that one of you is quite adequate to annoy lots of people.

Comment by BobB

June 30th 2009 10:06
I dont care anymore Im going to play Thriller and Bad tonight all night long and moondance im going to invite my nieces and nephews over for a sleepover and were all going to have pillow fights and shove cream cakes in our faces and if my hot auntie comes over early in the morning im going to sleep with her cos im no peddy but boy is she hot i dont even care that my cousin is my son

Comment by BobB

June 30th 2009 10:08
S.L.
im going to find out where you live and bring an elevator with me and play Barry Manilolw music outside your chicken coop!

Comment by TedIsOnThePlane

June 30th 2009 10:12
I actually do get the pervert feeling from Michael Jackson. That said Natalina makes some good points and I suppose it is best to leave him to his final judge. On a lighter note Natalina has the prettiest eye I have ever seen. I wish I could see the color. It is the perfect shape and very alluring.

Comment by BobB

June 30th 2009 10:24
Tedls
Have an eye wank

Comment by Natalina

June 30th 2009 10:28
Aimee, my mother has her favorites as well. She gets so sad when any of them fall ill or pass away. I guess that's the price you pay for a job like that.

Btw, there will be no funny business with my eyeballs!

Comment by TedIsOnThePlane

June 30th 2009 11:55
No offense meant to Natalina. Have to comment upon beauty when I see it in front of me.

Comment by jimmy

June 30th 2009 13:29
Hi Samaritan
Referring to your comment:

However, there is a difference between accusing a celebrity who you've never met of paedophilia and accusing someone you know. This blog is hardly likely to do any damage to Michael Jackson's reputation

Can I ask what you mean?
Teresa

Comment by samaritan

June 30th 2009 13:49
Hi Teresa,

What I meant was that someone can cause an enormous amount of damage to another person, by accusing them of paedophilia.

And so, when speaking about someone you know, I think it's important that you are very, very certain of the facts before accusing that person of paedophilia. Because if the accusation's wrong, it may not only destroy their reputation, it can practically destroy their life.

Whereas, when you're talking about a celebrity that you've never met, people are mostly just going to treat it as that person's opinion. And so there isn't the same possibility of causing damage as there is when talking about someone you know.

Samaritan

Comment by Aimee Dent

June 30th 2009 13:53
Whereas, when you're talking about a celebrity that you've never met, people are mostly just going to treat it as that person's opinion. And so there isn't the same possibility of causing damage as there is when talking about someone you know.

Nicely put Samaritan.

Aimee

Comment by samaritan

June 30th 2009 14:05
Just to add to what I said, I don't think that means that one should just go and accuse celebrities of being paedophiles without any reason at all. It just means that perhaps less certainty is needed, when it comes to people we don't know and we're unlikely to cause the same amount of damage.

Samaritan


Comment by MindMElter

June 30th 2009 15:29
MMMmmmmm, So if you are accused of a crime and millions are spent by the prossecution , extensive searches of your home are carried out and the teacher of the child in case gives evidence that the accuser admitted that he was not touched. All other alligations were unfounded, I think Jacko was cleared on 11 counts, you are still somehow guilty. Come on, I mean unless you were actually in the house when the said crimes took place how could you know.

Last year in the UK a national paper printed that McCartney had had a minor heart OP but was OK, McCartney had to re-assure people on his own website that this was BS.....The pictures of UK troops assulting prisioners were fake....It is human nature ,sadly that people lie.

I am not a jackson fan at all but I understand when people exploit someones position in society. Clearly he was disturbed.....but unless you have proof we can't accuse. I know it might sound absurd but If I print the story in a national paper tomorrow that one of your parents or best friend was a child moleaster it would be quite easy to destroy that person. Would you trust them after that? .It is easy to spread rumours based on what may be a suspission.

Lets not be guilty of prejudice. Rise above it and concentrate on making our own lives better.

Comment by Kristi O

June 30th 2009 22:59
Cheers for saying what some of us are thinking.

Comment by James Rickard

July 1st 2009 03:51
If you kids don't stop it, I'm going to stop this car RIGHT NOW!

Comment by Anonymous

July 1st 2009 10:57
stupid people trying to sound smart is all i can say grow the **** up and respect to the dead.


why is it people care more about others lives then there own live your life and be happy don't be sad cases typing shit on the net

Comment by S.L.

July 1st 2009 12:05
Maybe you should learn to type before criticizing others, Anonymous. If I'd written something that bad, I'd be too ashamed to use my name, too.

Comment by Someone

July 1st 2009 13:16
Be that as it may, S.L., he has a point. How many times must one be cleared of a charge before people will finally accept that maybe you didn't do it?

I mean, come on... cleared 11 times? Maybe, just maybe, he didn't do it?

Comment by S.L.

July 1st 2009 13:46
I honestly don't know, Someone. I wasn't there. But some people will sacrifice everything, even their children, for the right amount of money. Considering the previous charges, would you have allowed your kids to spend days alone with him? I wouldn't. Every time the charges were dropped, the family wound up wealthy. Maybe he was just buying them off because they were lying to get money, or maybe because they blackmailed him. We'll probably never know all the facts. In either case, I feel sorry for the kids who were either abused or being used.

Comment by Someone

July 1st 2009 16:27
Come now, S.L. Considering the previous charges aimed at christian priests, would you allow your kids to go to Sunday School?

Comment by Aimee Dent

July 1st 2009 17:34
To be frank Someone I don't think you can compare Michael Jackson to the entire Christian faith. If you wish to compare Michael Jackson with a particular priest then your argument may have some merit.

Just my two cents - I will let S.L. respond to you though, as you have addressed your comments to her.

Aimee

Comment by S.L.

July 1st 2009 18:01
With Catholics, Someone, it's called catechism classes, and yes I know there have been bad priests. In a classroom situation with other kids around I wouldn't be so worried. However, if a priest who had been repeatedly charged with molestation invited my child or grandchild on an overnight camping trip, I wouldn't permit it... or I'd go along, armed with a baseball bat. I would NOT allow a child in my care to be alone with anyone who had been accused (for the protection of everyone involved) of rape or molestation. Would you? Honestly?

Comment by Someone

July 2nd 2009 00:14

To be frank Someone I don't think you can compare Michael Jackson to the entire Christian faith.

You're right, Aimee. There is a big difference. Michael was never proven guilty.

I would NOT allow a child in my care to be alone with anyone who had been accused (for the protection of everyone involved) of rape or molestation. Would you? Honestly?

If your best friend in the whole world, someone you trusted, was accused of molestation and you believed them innocent, would you? I would. Unproven accusations are incredibly harmful, and (as we've seen with MJ) can do enormous damage to your reputation even if they are proven false.

I didn't know Michael (obviously), but if I did, I would judge him on his character and his integrity rather than what everyone said about him.


Comment by S.L.

July 2nd 2009 00:30
Trust is a wonderful thing, Someone. But please note that I said for the "protection of everyone involved." If the friend was guilty, it would protect the kids. If he was innocent, it would protect him from spurious charges made by anyone else.

I know a little girl who was molested by her brother. He will never be allowed near her again. However, she is not allowed to be alone with any man lest she get mad at him for something and make the accusation. Some kids will do anything for attention and you can't be too careful. What her brother did was medically documented and verified. But just the accusation can be damaging. For the protection of everyone involved, kids shouldn't be allowed to spend time alone with someone who has been accused.

Comment by samaritan

July 2nd 2009 01:06
Hi SL,

I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

I know someone who was accused falsely. I won't give all the details, but to speak generally, I think people sometimes accuse others out of pure vindictiveness and spite. And just one unsubstantiated accusation can just about destroy a person's life.

And I think one of the things that can hurt in that situation are the people who say I believe you didn't do it and yet refuse to let their children near that person or go funny when they're around children.

Sometimes you just know that someone has been accused falsely. And there's no point in adding to their pain. Or saying that you believe them and yet refusing to trust them.

Now if it was a few different accusations, maybe I would agree with you. Or if it was one accusation against someone I didn't know that well, I probably would keep my children away, just to safe, without making any judgement on whether they did it or not.

But I don't think there should be a rule that says, if they're accused at all, keep your children away.

(By the way, even though I'm not giving details, in the case of my friend, the person who made the accusation eventually said it was a lie. But by then, it had already damaged so many of his friendships.)

Samaritan

Comment by S.L.

July 2nd 2009 02:25
Give this some thought, Samaritan. Is it better to allow someone who has been falsely accused to be put in the position of another false accusation? Or to protect that person from having it happen again? I knew a man once who had been accused of molesting and killing a little girl. I knew he didn't do it. He wasn't that kind of a person. In order to prove my friendship for him and that I trusted him, I offered to have him sit with my own kids while I went to the store. He declined, saying that if one of them got a skinned knee while I was gone, my neighbors could make accusations that he had attacked them and probably get away with it. I saw the wisdom of his words and have believed ever since that if you care about someone, you don't put them in the position of being accused. And any child who has been molested can make a credible case that it has happened again, even if it hasn't.

Comment by OnlineWriter

July 2nd 2009 03:57
I know MJ was beloved around the world for various reasons but in the US, he was pretty much condemned then written off after the child molestation cases and ended up as just another freak celebrity train wreck.

In my opinion, every album after BAD was pure garbage and he was significantly overrated from then on.

I give him credit for the amazing music from Bad and his prior albums though. I had my zipper pants as a kid and loved his music in the 80s.

To those who think he never molested those children, the combination of sleeping in the same bed with them and giving them wine in soda cans is definitely not acceptable. If I found out someone did something like that to one of my children, they'd need to change their name, get plastic surgery so I couldn't recognize them and then hide out in a well fortified bunker.

Even then, iI'd find them and it would be the worst few weeks of their lives. I'd keep them alive for a very long time and they'd pray, beg, and cry more than any other human being in recent history.

Comment by Someone

July 2nd 2009 04:09
S.L. I am accusing you of molesting a child. I have no proof, I don't know who the child was, it never happened, but the accusation is there.

There. You can never go near another child again. But it's for your own good.

In reference to your friend, I have no doubt he was a good guy. But how is one supposed to overcome the stigma attached to such accusations, if you aren't allowed near children to prove you are a responsible, good person? How would you feel if, now that I have accused you, your friends stopped letting you near their kids, "for your own good"?

Comment by Aimee Dent

July 2nd 2009 07:30
The difference is Someone, S.L. has not admitted to sleeping in the same bedroom, and bed, as children that don't belong to her. Michael did!

Before you come to my blog I suggest you put your manners in Someone.

Aimee


Comment by Someone

July 2nd 2009 08:31
S.L. and I have debated constructively in the past, Aimee, so I would hope by now she would understand that I meant no insult.

I thought I made it pretty clear that I was not genuinely insulting S.L., but obviously I didn't. I was using the paedophilia accusation to highlight how easy it is to make unfounded accusations.

You seem to have no problem insulting me on other blogs, genuinely insulting. Maybe I am not the one who needs a lesson in manners.

Oh S.L... if you did take offense, I am truly sorry, I meant none.

Comment by Nomad

July 2nd 2009 11:00
OJ was found "not guilty"...

Comment by MindMElter

July 2nd 2009 16:31
I can see the point of view that if you have been accused of something perhaps it might be best not to create suspission by doing the same thing that got you in the mess in the first place.

After all that is the world we live in. I guess alcholics should not hang around outside pubs and bars if they don't want people thinking they are having a good old booze up!

MJ should have realised that his association with kids would be seen as abnormal, incorrect or not, and perhaps gone about the whole spending time with kids thing a bit differently, I mean where were all his advisors? Were his people too weak to tell him that his behaviour was not the best way for an adult to conduct themself.

MJ did not learn from his past. Although I don't recall any cases of him been with kids after the big court case. But by then I had got bored with it all.

The MindMElter...


Comment by abouttovomit

July 3rd 2009 03:26
Aime
If you're blogging just to get others to agree with you you'd better stop writing contentious posts. Or maybe that IS your intention.
Someone made a good point. Ooh Ahh He forgot his "manners". If it wasn't for the disagreement this post would be thoroughly boring.
We all have our own opinion but you state your vicious accusation as fact. Just take a good look at yourself.

Comment by The wonderful Peter Yang

July 3rd 2009 05:51
Michael Jackson, Wacko Jacko? Most definitly

A bad person, I don't think so, he might be a wacko, but very unlikely to be evil.

Music wise, well, he is still the best, can't denire it.

The guy is dead, it is not like he is Suddan Hassem or Adulf Hitler, don't speak ill of the dead.

cheers


Comment by Aimee Dent

July 3rd 2009 07:54
The guy is dead, it is not like he is Suddan Hassem or Adulf Hitler, don't speak ill of the dead.
I'm afraid Peter that people will always speak ill of Hussein and Hitler - and rightly so.

Aimee

Comment by Someone

July 3rd 2009 13:23
But they deserve it.... They were guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is still (obviously) debate concerning MJ's innocence/guilt.

Comment by Aimee Dent

July 4th 2009 03:13
Well Peter Yang, what do you think of Kim Jong (Mentally) Ill? Are we allowed to speak in a bad tone about him or would that be to crass?

Aimee

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