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Man-Made Global Warming Takes First Victim

December 6th 2008 23:07
The global warming that was created by man has taken its first victim. The white possum may be extinct due to global warming. Forget the fact that it was rare. Forget that it was dubbed the "Dodo of the Daintree". It was global warming that caused its possible demise. Global warming caused by man, by the way!

If you read back at other entries of this blog you will find that unknown species have been discovered recently. Yet no one thanks global warming for that one. Perhaps most scientists are actually clueless when it comes to rare species and they sometimes fail to see species that already exist.


Global warming is a natural phenomenon and is being exploited by having us believe we are responsible or that we can reverse it. If you still believe scientists are infallible then blame them for giving us the toys that cause global warming. Autos, airlines, factories, burning wood, heat, air conditioning, etc., it seems every convenience we are accustomed to cause global warming. The very things invented by scientists. Now the scientists seek funding to prove that a natural phenomenon is caused by us.

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Comment by NoaIzumi

December 7th 2008 04:59
OK, question. If global warming is a natural phenomenon, what's the natural cause?

Comment by signals

December 7th 2008 16:38
Volcanic activity, forest fires caused by lightning, apparently moose and cow flatulence, not considering that in the 1800s the earth's temperature dropped by at least 2 degrees, earthquakes, tides, currents, hurricanes, etc.

What caused global warming during the dinosaurs? The earth is ever changing and evolving and only the adapted survive. If man is a contributer it is because he is changing a natural order. Feeding wild animals and making them trusting of man is an example.

Comment by NoaIzumi

December 7th 2008 19:33
When you say that global warming is a natural phenomenon, do you mean global warming (and global cooling for that matter) in general, or the global warming we're currently experiencing that's been going on for the past thirty years?

Comment by signals

December 9th 2008 23:04
Global warming in general. It's always been around. I'd have to look it up, but I remember reading something about Greenland being named that because it was actually a greener, less arctic-type climate.

In my opinion...the past 30 years are a fallacy to some extent, and allow me to explain...China and India have become more industrialized and burn more carbons, due to populations, than the entire rest of the world combined. It is ludicrous to tell the rest of the world that they should try to stop global warming while allowing China and India to continue to pollute the air and the environment.

That last paragraph would hold weight only if I believe that man is the cause of global warming. I don't! If by some far-fetched coincidence man does contribute, it is far less than cow, moose, deer, and other animals in nature that have a case of flatulence!

Now here's a fact...my area has experienced the most snowfall and coldest record within the past 15 years. I'm trying to say that in the past 30 years, within the past 15 my area had record snowfall and record cold temperatures in over 100 years.

Yes I do believe there is a global warming phenomenon, but man is not responsible, nor can he prevent it. Google 'Mt. St. Helen' and read about the eruption. Whether it is there or not, that carbon cloud circled the world a few times and stretched from one cost to another in the US. You don't think that effected the climate? The tsunami 2004?

People give little credit to mother earth in the fact that it self-regulates to restore order. In the '60s we talked about returning to the Ice Age because it was cold. 40 years later suddenly we're burning up???

Comment by NoaIzumi

December 10th 2008 12:12
Volcanoes generally have a cooling effect, not a warming one, and only a short-term one (3-5 years) at that. They do emit CO2 and other greenhouse gases, but the total CO2 emitted by all the volcanoes on the planet amounts to about 1% of human emissions.

As for natural sources of greenhouse gases, natural sources emit far more than human sources. But that figure ignores natural carbon sinks, like growing plants, soil organic matter, the oceans, etc. GHGs are emitted, GHGs are absorbed. Sometimes they're a little out of balance, so GHGs can increase or decrease naturally, but never at the rate we've seen over the last hundred years. For thousands of years, GHG levels were stable (more or less; sometimes they'd be up or down by a percentage point or two). Then our little contribution comes along, and GHG levels shoot up in less than two centuries (100% for methane, almost 40% for CO2 so far).

And the global cooling hypothesis never had a fraction of the scientific backing that global warming does today. Newsweek is not a peer-reviewed publication.

Oh, and not that this has anything with whether current global warming is caused by human activity or not, but China and India aren't being let off the hook. Any future treaty to limit GHG emissions will include them.

Comment by signals

December 10th 2008 22:19
You're right about the cooling effect of volcanoes. But the earth will regulate itself. You said the last 100 years, I'd say the last 193 or so, when this occurred. And don't forget this little eruption. The point is that scientists like Al Gore(LOL) have said the temperature rose 4 degrees over the last 500 years but they neglect the drop in the 1800s due to these eruptions.

Science can be manipulated to get funding for their cause. I'll dare to make a prediction and say that within the next 10 years, the temperature will begin falling again. This will occur naturally, but scientists will say that it is due to the world's fight against global warming. If I'm wrong, so what? But I don't think I will be because the scientist have to show some fruits from their financing. If they know that eventually the earth will cool down in the future, they will claim credit for it.

India and China sign a treaty??? Part of their income comes from American factories running there because there is no regulation against pollution. All Kyoto did was fine the nations that couldn't keep their commitment to reduce gases. China and India would go back to their 1945 economy if they were to seriously cut pollution and gases.

Let's just agree to disagree. I think global warming is actually a way to get back to survival of the fittest in this overpopulated world. This goes for both humans and animals.

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