I am so confused...
November 4th 2008 09:22
... but not in a sexual way.
I am having a blast watching all the arguing going on, the posts, the counterposts, the sledging.... its all very fun to watch.
However, I have no idea how this all started or who's on who's side. Can someone please fill me in?
In the 'psycho-liberal' corner... so far as I can tell we have Butterfly8, Alt_Ed, Ruby and Morgan? Am I on the right track here?
In the 'Crazy-Conservative' corner we have S.L. and Lester (they're easy to pick!), I think Damo? Lady Dave?
And how did all this arguing come to be? Why do the hyper-liberals hate Damo so much? This would all be so much more interesting if I knew what was going on!
I am having a blast watching all the arguing going on, the posts, the counterposts, the sledging.... its all very fun to watch.
However, I have no idea how this all started or who's on who's side. Can someone please fill me in?
In the 'psycho-liberal' corner... so far as I can tell we have Butterfly8, Alt_Ed, Ruby and Morgan? Am I on the right track here?
In the 'Crazy-Conservative' corner we have S.L. and Lester (they're easy to pick!), I think Damo? Lady Dave?
And how did all this arguing come to be? Why do the hyper-liberals hate Damo so much? This would all be so much more interesting if I knew what was going on!
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Comment by RubySoho
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Comment by Damo
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My Apologetics
First of all, you are fishing in troubled waters.
You do not know me and yet you label me a cazy-conservative.
Perhaps it would be best that you read the title of the 700 posts that I have written before drawing a conclusion.
Next point I pretty much oppose 99% of SLBs views and SLB would be quite willing to confirm that detail. In fact I do not think that there is anyone who written more posts than I have that oppose her views. However we have come to an understanding that though we have little in common there is no reason why we cannot afford a little common courtesy toward one another. The 1% where we may agree seems to be the bridge,
Rev Lester is one person that do I fail to get along with. He can confirm that fact also. Right now I do not bother him and he does not bother me. It is nothing personal but we just do not see eye to eye on my denial about being an ultra liberal / LIB/DEM / terrorist supporter. He may have changed his view but since we do not converse I would have no idea.
David I hold in high regard for his talent and the fact that writes for the sake of writing and has no agenda and has no fear in writing honestly. With David what you see is what you get, I find that refreshing in an environment where everyone else seems to be big noting themselves
So I will accept your apology in advance for the error. You may have been misdirected.
Other than that your question is valid:
I am happy for anyone to articulate their problem with me.
Comment by RubySoho
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May 27th 2008 02:58
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I deal with you first.
I hope that you are not taking this nonsense with Ruby too seriously. She is only trolling and fishing for some dirt to fling at me with all her hateful bile.
My job so far is to let her keep exposing herself for what she is. A Troll.
Damo to Anonymous:
May 28th 2008 23:46
Anon
Obviously you think that I care what you think.
BTW:
Anyone can if they so choose find out who are by your IP address. So if you are another Orble regular trying be clever then you picked the wrong person. I am Senior Network Engineer by trade, specializing in security and diagnostics.
Damo being nice to Ruby over multiple posts:
May 27th 2008 04:47
Ruby
Your low opinion of me only elevates my opinion of myself.
Now Troll back to your little cave where banal arguments, bigotries, prejudices and your petty little hates are treasured by you.
I have no trouble in ignoring your moronic prattle in your own cess pool of ignorance.
You are no daughter of science.
You debase its principles
May 27th 2008 05:51
Sophist Troll
Does that mean you are going?
So you finally got the hint.
Took long enough.
Don't let the toilet lid hit you on the way back home.
June 5th 2008 07:07
Hahahahaha
hahahahaha
hahahahaha
LOLOLOLOL
(overdoing the laughter a bit aren't I?)
My Apologetics has no doubt that Ruby still has a lot of hate to give.
Why would My Apologetics want to ruin the best entertainment on Orble.
Drop a line even without bait or hook and this fish still bites.
Comment by alt_ed
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Buterfly8 seems to be in the same vein as Raven *cough*, I mean Nevar...
And what started it? Well, does it really matter... it's here and now and that's a good enough reason for me. I dare say it stems from Orble's resident Paedophile Priest and his jingoistic sidekick. Damo, Dave, Nevar just seem to be backing them up now that their faux moderate liberal facades have been demolished.
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And yet, you still drag me into your petty games and attempt to paint me as the perpetrator. I'm tired of it. just admit how this whole thing started: you cannot stand it when people publicly voice their opinions on religion when their opinions happen to be negative.
newsflash: i have the right to my opinions. And I have the right to voice them. And i won't stop just because you don't like it.
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Anyone can if they so choose find out who are by your IP address. So if you are another Orble regular trying be clever then you picked the wrong person. I am Senior Network Engineer by trade, specializing in security and diagnostics.
And he produces a mean PowerPoint presentation too!
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well i guess compared to old misogynist homophobes i might seem a little left . . .
in real life im usually considered a moderate
im queer, the majority of my readers are gay or gay-friendly . . . almost every spat on Orble comes from something about abortion or gays . . . some people think it is acceptable to say gays are wicked and women who terminate pregnancies are mass-murderers, i do not agree with these people . . . i tend to promote equal rights regardless of sexuality or gender, if thats psycho-liberal than so be it
with the names you have mentioned above i think you will find the main points S.L, Lester, Damo, David (and can i throw in Raven, Katyzz and their 12 alternate personalities) have in common are that they are all Pro-Lifers who have been taught that homosexuality is a sin and gay people should not be entiled to marriage etc
i think some of us may have agreed on select issues on some occassions but abortion and homosexuality seem to be those polarising issues that will divide people
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
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Firstly, I prefer speaking for myself. I'm on my own side. I haven't joined any Orble clique/movement, and never will. Mainly because cliques/movements have more than a few major problems.
1. At some stage they will want me to compromise my conscience or beliefs. [Usually over something as pitiful/trivial as taking sides against someone whom someone in the movment/clique doesn't like for their own personal reasons. Which I don't align myself with].
2. At some stage movements/cliques want me to join their 'cause' to fight a collective 'common' enemy [but generally not fight a clean, civil or courteous fight]. And generally, the cause is not worthy of being called a cause. It's usually something akin to fighting over who got the biggest slice of cake at a kindergarten birthday party. It reminds me of what St Thomas More said to the newly ordained Bishop of Wales. "I can understand a man selling his soul for the whole world, but for Wales?"
3. Their agenda(s) [and philosophies behind the agenda(s)] are usually run by one individual who is able to convince 'followers' to align themselves with such philosophies and agenda(s). My philosophy (and theology) is a result of wanting to form my own thoughts, albeit I will align myself with other philosophers and theologians, most of whom are dead. But I have genuine concerns about the depth of philosophical thought behind most modern movements. Make that lack of depth.
As to what started this? It's a deja vu. It's a regurgitation. A cyclical event on Orble.
Two camps always get involved. 1. "Christians"/Pro-Lifers. 2. Gays, Lesbians etc/Anti Pro-Lifers.
The main issues are. 1. God. 2. Sacred Scripture (the Bible). 3. Abortion. 4. Homosexuality. (and often all four at the same time).
All it seems to take is for someone to write a post someone doesn't agree with, and the snowball effect begins. It starts off with everyone stating how right their opinions are and how wrong other's opinions are, and gradually descends into personal attacks and insults on posts and in comments sections. And then Orble becomes all about Orble and spats between Orble bloggers, and no-one gets any posts written about any other subject.
I don't mind getting involved in the defense of God or Sacred Scripture every so often, if either are attacked but I prefer apologetical arguments about the issue itself, not about the person, or attacks on the person. That's not always easy. If I feel myself being drawn into such things, I generally withdraw for a while. It's too easy in the virtual world to write a comment in the heat of the emotional moment which you live to regret in your calm moments.
As for Damo? Well he does have a blog titled My Apologetics. He enjoys apologetics. Which is after all, in all simplicity, the art of arguing. I've made my stance quite clear to him, which is, 'I don't mind a bit of apologetics but I prefer creative writing.' He accepts that. I accept that he likes apologetics.
But again, I'm on my own side. If it suits, I'll join in an argument. If it doesn't, I wont.
Comment by Kleonaptra
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I change my mind everyday, and when I first joined Orble and shit got slung, I said "whee! Im staying out of all that! Im just trying to refine my writing and tell cute animal stories!"
But time goes on, Im an argumentative shit, and I couldnt stop myself from slinging a bit myself. I admit that I just cant stand homophobia of any kind, and pro Lifers cause me to grit my teeth so hard I get migraines, but for the most part, I just want to be left alone to do what I want. If that means I have to leave them alone too, thats easy.
I am friends with David and Raven for reasons that involve art, writing and similar interests. Clashing views have never got in our way.
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Dave, sorry for lumping you in there too. Don't get me wrong, I think your's and Damo's blogs are among the most entertaining to read on here...
Morgan, I couldn't call the conservative and remain neutral without insulting the liberals too
Ruby: "newsflash: i have the right to my opinions. And I have the right to voice them. And i won't stop just because you don't like it. "
Newsflash: So does he.
Kleo: Trying to figure out who supported who has been giving me headaches for weeks. I'm glad it's been made black and white (sort of). I would rather discuss biblical/theological issues with those who know most about them, even if I happen to be a liberal who knows very little about religion of the bible.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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Two camps always get involved. 1. "Christians"/Pro-Lifers. 2. Gays, Lesbians etc/Anti Pro-Lifers.
The main issues are. 1. God. 2. Sacred Scripture (the Bible). 3. Abortion. 4. Homosexuality. (and often all four at the same time).
All it seems to take is for someone to write a post someone doesn't agree with, and the snowball effect begins. It starts off with everyone stating how right their opinions are and how wrong other's opinions are, and gradually descends into personal attacks and insults on posts and in comments sections. And then Orble becomes all about Orble and spats between Orble bloggers, and no-one gets any posts written about any other subject.
This is the 3rd or 4th time the abortion debate has erupted with prominence . . . ive been here since March, im sure older users would have seen it oodles of times.
Theres a pretty hugh culture clash on Orble between young Australians and elderly bible-belt Americans. Other topics may include creationism, stem-cell research, gun-control, contraception, public health-care, war, racism, absolute morals etc
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I can verify 'lady dave' knows about the problems all too well ^_^
all this orble fighting can be summed in the following steps:
1) It's that time of the month and ruby has decided she should be angry with someone or something
2) she makes a subtle attack post to realize 1.
3) cluster fuck ensues
4) Gay rights somehow gets involved and everyone who is not on Ruby's side is automatically a bigot because she wasn't really attacking anyone but she was really
5) Ruby says weird things about people who don't agree with her POV or simply refuse to give her support
6) Enter the subtle attack posts not written by Ruby where people are all 'I'm not really targeting anyone but i really am you know?
7) Innocent by standards get involved without knowing
8) Cluster fuck gets worse
9) Ahmed makes a comment or blog post about it
10) Ahmed is accused of being a closet homosexual
11) ...
12) The week is over and so is 'that time', but it'll all start again ~3 weeks later
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May 27th 2008 02:58
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I deal with you first.
I hope that you are not taking this nonsense with Ruby too seriously. She is only trolling and fishing for some dirt to fling at me with all her hateful bile.
My job so far is to let her keep exposing herself for what she is. A Troll.
she'd be the sort of person who tells all my friends about what sort of person I 'really am' not the day after we break up to get revenge, even throwing her friends out into the meat grinder in the process it would seem O_O
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i think you assign more power to Ruby than what she really has . . . you must admit there is a constant barrage of biblical posts
attackinginforming gays and pro-choicers that they are unnatural and going to hell etc etcapart from S.L, Lester, Don Lee, Damo, Katyzzz, Raven, and David banging on the "family values" tambourine, theres also Jonathan Biviano, Steven Barrett, and Truth Be Told who post frequently . . . there really is a substantial base of vocal bloggers who regularly post opposing abortion and gay rights
there are also a good selection of moderate and open-minded Christians using the site to promote compassion and tolerance, so religion is often on the homepage in general
i really dont think Ruby is the catalyst for all of these people and their posts
and im pretty sure its only PoMo that thinks you are a closet gay, but you guys have a semi-affectionate one-on-one flame war going on ther anyway, which isnt related to Ruby either
i will now use the emoticon you showed me
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All I'm saying is In this clusterfuck of family values Ruby comes off across as the psycho-ex girlfriend who starts all the shit.
Catalyst or not things tend to start with her posts.
I was j/k about the clomest homosexual stuff, it was just to highlight how ridiculous it can be.
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Jim Stillman and Doug Pollard and Jeff Musall are a few who come to mind who comment on conservative blogs to disagree with them . . . but i dont think ive seen Damo addressing any of them in post titles
i guess we will all interpret the situation differently, but i think the instigator is probably the person (or people) who have a blogging history that reads like an encylopedia of defensive retorts, and very seldom blog on anything other than the Orble network
Comment by RubySoho
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Oh and Ahmed obviously has no idea what "catalyst" means.
Oh and I have never alluded to Ahmed's sexuality, whatever that may be.
Oh and when did I ever say damo was not entitled to his opinions?
Oh and America just got its first black president. for a while i was giddy with the hope that maybe the world was progressing. then i get informed by a man who has never met me that all my opinions are the result of my menstrual cycle.
Back to earth with a thud.
Comment by Ahmed
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Good point, I call it like it is, others call it like they see it.
Haha, oh I do know what it means
When someone defends themselves against accusations that are never made it is kind of implicative they themselves know they have committed the crime, even if it can't be substantiated empirically the assertion of innocence is in itself a guilty plea.
Well without a doubt women are far more emotional than men, when I saw obama win I was like 'hey, cool' but you seem to have gone all *hormonal* over it. Yikes, and I'm only 20.
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those werent private messages, they were public comments that are available for anyone to see - i have never received a private message from Damo
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those werent private messages, they were public comments that are available for anyone to see - i have never received a private message from Damo
ah, fair enough. I'll remove those parts then ^_^
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i also think you might find that women are capable of emotion and thought that is not expressly tied to their hormones . . . i know it might sound crazy . . . but if the woman's opinions are pretty consistant the whole month through theyre probably unrelated to the ebs and flows of a period
Comment by RubySoho
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My comments to damo above were a response to this post, where for some reason damo felt the need to rifle thru all his old posts and retrieve every occasion where we have disagreed. I had absolutely nothing to do with Butterfly 7, yet i get dragged into it again. That's what i was defending myself against.
Really Long Link
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I'm not referring to fluctuations of opinion but rather fluctuations in character.
Comment by RubySoho
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Yeah. Like the time I defended you when someone called you a "bigoted little Egyptian".
Or the time I stuck up for you when PoMo and Fog called you a homophobe.
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Or the time I stuck up for you when PoMo and Fog called you a homophobe.
I hate to say it, and this probably hurts you more so than me, but while it's nice you defended me it doesn't put right wrongs you do else where.
I don't really care that someone called me a bigotted little egyption and I don't care someone who I'm fairly certain suffers from some form of mental illness accused me of being a homophobe.
This is the internet, live and let live, I've argued with almost everyone including Damo and in the end it's like nothing happened, we just move on and find something else to argue or agree on.
That's how it is.
When you take it personally, too personally as you have it lingers on and just gets more and more bitter. In this situation it's best for both parties to just ignore each other. I don't really care who started it per-se, it'll only end when one side stops responding.
do you still see me arguing with, I dunno, Bradish or PoMo? i'm not into the idea of going to their blogs and starting a flamewar over the same reasons all over again, that is in large part why the fighting stopped.
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And please go to damo's blog and see when I last left a comment on his post. There is a big flame war going on right now on a post about homosexuality (what else), on which I left a single three line comment. Half of orble left a comment on that post but i guess you would still interpret it as it being my fault.
A few moments ago someone left a comment on Morgan's blog telling me that i sickened them because my uterus must be permanently gushing blood from all the "murders" I have committed. I said not a dicky bird to this person. I have no idea why they addressed that comment to me.
Yes i am a woman. Yes I have strong opinions. Apparently that combination seems to bother lots of people. Yourself included.
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In all fairness there would be no reason for me to care you are a woman but you yourself don't help by feeding certain stereotypes.
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You are the one who constantly makes references to my womanhood. That time of the month? Too emotional?
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How is Obama being president-elect have ANYTHING to do with what's going on here?
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You made a comment about having your period. Apparently Nevar takes that as a sign from god that you are a mass murderer...
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"Lucky for you i don't have my period. Otherwise i would have said something very nasty. "
QED
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"Lucky for you i don't have my period. Otherwise i would have said something very nasty. "
shit, it's a good thing I don't read comment/post histories otherwise I would have not found that so amusing.
thanks for the mild amusement
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"Lucky for you i don't have my period. Otherwise i would have said something very nasty. "
QED
I was being sarcastic. It's the lowest form of humour (sarcastic again).
Comment by Ahmed
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Kind of like the Republican parties treatment of Sarah Palin: the media is sexist because they question Palin on the grounds she is a smoking hot babe!
What makes it alright for you to use your own sexuality, be it for jokes or otherwise, and condemn others for doing the same against you?
/I stole that from a comic.
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... what about the grounds that she is a redneck politi-noob?
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when you write "QED" is that like net slang for "point proved"?
hi Ahmed,
now come on, you have had words with PoMo fairly recently, and you dont even seem to post that often anymore . . . sometimes it seems you log on for the sole purpose of stirring her up!
i know you have alot of experience on web forums and blogs etc and i know you are just trying to mediate this situation, but surely you can acknowledge that it takes two to tango in any argument?
it is unlikely that an internet war has only one person fanning its flames . . . i know you know that
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I always thought it meant Quite Easily Displayed... go figure!?
Morgan, how about Nevar harassing Ruby? Seems sorta one sided.
Also... who is PoMo?
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Therein lies the joke.
And I am correctly interpreting that to mean you've conceded and admitted guilt.l
QED = quod erat demonstrandum = 'that which was to be demonstrated'
Yeah I have a little 'english literature person' in me
I have a bunch of off orble blogs/people using them and needed to act on them, then exam time came around and I had almost forgotten about Orble. It didn't have anything to do with PoMo, I talked to her for a whie after leaving orble
sometimes? One step above sometimes, surely you must agree! It's fun when I'm in th emood
it is unlikely that an internet war has only one person fanning its flames . . . i know you know that
Of course, but when there is always that one person involved...
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When you open the dictionary and look up 'senile' you'll see her picture
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PoMo is my girlfriends mother?
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She would tell you that she is everything and she is nothing (quite literally) so yes, she is every crazy woman you have ever known and have not known.
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oops now youve done it!
you will be mocked high and low by conservatives for seeking information from wiki, google, the BBC, the United Nations, Carl Sagan or Neitzsche . . . actually anything thats not Fox News or the bible
yeah that Nevar comment was like some weird guerilla warfare manouver . . . swoop in, *pow, pow, pow*, disappear into the night again . . . its either Raven spelling his name backwards or a huge coincidence!
PoMo is a lovely pansexual lass by the name of Epiphanie Bloom (user name Postmodern Critic), shes a globe trotter and postmodernist who writes mostly on diversity, sexuality and gender . . . she the most politically correct person ive ever met in my life . . . i write on the PADSOC blog with her
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But I am not always involved! That is my point. People are still arguing with Bradish on her posts. Truth be Told wrote another anti-abortion post that pissed everyone off and I didn't leave a comment there. Lester still writes ant-Muslim tirades and I ignore him. And of course I never, ever read Damo's posts (sarcasm). this would all be going on with or without me Ahmed and you know it.
In fact before I came on Orble you will see that Damo's main object of hatred was Bradish. Just go into his archives and see how many anti-Bradish posts there are. Then I came on, wrote a few posts about how I think God is make-believe and the Bible is silly rubbish and all hell breaks loose. Blow me sideways. I thought I writing for an open minded, rational audience that would either a) agree with me or b) be secure enough in their own beliefs not to be so traumatised by my own lowly opinion.
And no i don't admit guilt. Firstly, I wasn't using my sexuality. I was making a reference to a bodily function. Secondly, the entire point of sarcasm is to draw attention to something you feel strongly about. i feel strongly about sexism. Kinda hard to draw attention to it without mentioning it isn't it?
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Quite the charming description, truth is she's a mental patient suffering from a delusional paranoia related illness (and I'd have to say I'm 99% sure this is actually true) and frequently blackmails her parents/some other possible entity to give her money to travel around the place (she's unemployed, I sincerely doubt she pays her way to be a 'globe trotter'.
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well im a charming person!
the little literary person inside of me is an expert at euphamisms and seeing the glass half full!
i cannot attest to PoMo's mental records or bank statements, but i do enjoy many of her posts!
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I'm not saying it wasn't, I find sexism to be a hilarious topic ripe for jokes and all so meh really.
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Indeed, I love it when I'm accused of being gay/racist and being taken waaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
It's only half full if it started out as full and was drunk half way down, otherwise it's half empty.
In all fairness if it turned out she raped little boys you'd have a different opinion of her regardless of her posts ^_^
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ummm, im not sure how to respond to that . . . what a bizarre thing to say!
were you that little boy?
hi Someone,
i just sent PoMo a link to this post, if she decides to pop in she can probably describe herself better than i ever could!
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were you that little boy?
If it turned out she was blackmailing her family to give her money so she could travel overseas would it not effect your opinion of her?
Just say'n.
Wikipedia does it best.
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2. I hope PoMo shows up, she sounds fun.
3. Morgan, by the way, very disappointed to find out you are queer. We could have had something very special.
4. DAMN YOU PEOPLE FOR BEING SO ENTERTAINING! I have a very important exam in 8 hours I haven't started studying for, and yet this stuff is riveting...
It's like a car wreck. I don't want to watch but I can't tear myself away...
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well i would really have to know her parents too in order to make any kind of a character assessment based on her family dynamic . . . im sure many people have complex relationships with their parents . . . she seems like a fairly open person, i cant see how that one detail would change the context of her posts either way
i think youre wrong about the glass though, if it starts full and you tip out half then it is half empty . . . probably a good analogy for expectations and disappointments
hi Someone,
i dont know Raven really well, other than that hes Alaskan and married and has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (i think from serving in the military), oh and hes a Pro-Lifer and has this absurd vendetta against Ruby (he has said some brutally nasty things) because shes an atheist
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I never said she was black mailing her parents, just pointing it out as a possible revenue stream and you're already trying to explain it away?
Yeah I got the metaphor wrong, it's half full when it's filled up half way and half empty when emptied from full.
4. DAMN YOU PEOPLE FOR BEING SO ENTERTAINING! I have a very important exam in 8 hours I haven't started studying for, and yet this stuff is riveting...
I have one next week bahahaha, I look forward to being in your predicament then.
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you cant ask me a direct question "what would i think if . . ." with a question mark and then chastise me for responding to the hypothetical!
well you can i guess . . . i cant stop you . . .but you are painting me into a corner man!
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but did you hear the one about Lester the Molester? Now there's a good story!!
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Sounds juicy! Do tell...
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I'm not little :'(
@Someone
If you're interested in online scandals you might want to check these two websites out: Really Long Link
Really Long Link
They're not always perfect muchless accurate but always good for a laugh.
Pauline Hanson:
In 1965 BC, she was caught in the fish net stockings of Australian fisherman Nicole Kidman, who sold Ms Hanson to a small fish and chip shop in XXXXland. She was soon promoted, and became the owner of the shop. She worked there for 3958 years (during which time she evolved into something vaguely resembling a human, but not to be mistaken for an actual human), building up her takeaway empire until the floorspace in her shop reached across 90% of Queensland's Sunshine Coast.
It was then that Pauline Hanson decided to begin a new life in Politics. With her gills flapping in the wind, she marched into the Australian Parliament with her army of educated fleas, declaring herself Lord of All Humans.
I love the one on Australia:
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Just something about an AzN gunman zerg rushing the school....
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i couldnt remember which post started the lastest abortion flare-up, but now ive just come across it again
it was Jim Stillman posting on remarks John McCain made about abortion, and Lester Caudill was the first one to start being antagonistic
CLICKHERE for "The Moment McCain Lost The Election" on Political Certainty
also Someone, there is nothing more special than being cyber buddies . . . one day we may be as close as Ahmed and PoMo
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you have a very odd definition of close.
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perhaps "intense" would have been a better word?
hi Someone,
actually im asexual, my idea of being buddies is sexless . . . it all comes under the queer umbrella . . . although i guess cyber sex, by definition, would be the easiest kind of sex to fake . . .
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Oh I'm just kidding by the way, I am in a very happy relationship with a very wonderful girl... I just like cracking on to women to see what happens, is all.
So you're really asexual? I read your posts on the subject, but it all seems so... alien? It's quite fascinating really. Did you try going bi/gay (or hetero, even) before you figured out it was all unappealing? (I don't mean to sound rude or condescending, I'm genuinely curious)?
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haha thats a new take on an old saying!
and yes i am an alien . . . me and david bowie!
ive had my dabblings in the heterosexual world but i felt like a fraud, then i socialised almost exclusively in the queer community for many years . . . i just dont see any people in "that" way . . . just doesnt interest me . . . not my bag baby!
in the olden days im sure i would have been forced into a marriage of convenience by now with some Mr Darcy type, or the local candlestick maker!
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and all the pretty ones are stupid or too dull witted to get jokes meant to be insulting to their person.
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I didn't mean alien in an insulting way, more alien as in a concept completely unfamiliar to me. You know, being a typical guy that thinks about sex every now and again (read: thinks of nothing else).
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Then again, mocking people in such an intellectually-challenging way that they don't even realize that they're being insulted... one of life's great pleasures.
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how very dare you . . .
insulting my person?
well i never . . .
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*claws retracted*
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you will often get more comments than karma if people feel they can just chat amongst themselves . . . its a sign of a chilled out moderator
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All she'll do is start with how I should be more open minded and close off with how I must be a closet homosexual
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laziestfairest moderator in all the lands.Morgan you're an Aussie right? Shouldn't you be in bed or something?
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I think Morgan has a sleep pattern similar to mine, wake when the birds sleep and sleep when the birds wake.
It's the reverse of a farmers sleeping habits and ensures more sleep than wakey time.
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If memory serves you are a Muslim, right? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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Well you could be thinking of someone else but yeah I am
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I don't know how you do the fast dude, nothing but respect. I don't think I'd last a day, let alone a month.
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Actually, that sounds fun.
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I thought I would give all a day to focus upon the task at hand.
So far it looks pretty weak.
Are you all done yet or would like to say more?
Remember Someone's original question?
Read it and address it.
"Why do the hyper-liberals hate Damo so much?"
I am absolutely fascinated to know the answer.
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100% done.
I just want to know.
Or would you like to add to you 'wonderful' comments?
Go ahead.
Come and get me.
Or are you afraid to say what you really think?
But then again if you are 100% done.
Just say so.
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Please, I'm borderline retarded, so no allusions, just spell it out in black and white. Pretty please?
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Damo, yeah, as you can see by my posts and comments I am afraid to say what I really think. That's my biggest problem.
I didn't have anything against you until you started being rude and condescending to me. I said I was pro-choice, you accused me of forcing my pro-choice dogma (a contradiction in terms if ever there was one), down people's throat. I said religion should be kept out of public life you called me a bigot.
At least 60-70% of your posts are nothing but ill-disguised attacks on other bloggers. You think I dislike you because you have a different opinion to me? No. It's the way in which you have attempted to undermine me with pretty much everyone on here, accusing me of manipulation and hate-mongering. When pro-lifers and homophobes write insulting and offensive posts, you congratulate them. When others such as myself leave comments on those posts, you say we are extremists and bigoted and out of line.
But mostly its the way you put down everyone who doesn't agree with you. And then accuse us of instigating the animosity when in fact it was your good self. You hate the fact we are on here and you never cease writing about that.
I can't speak for anyone else but that's what I have against you.
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And thanks Ruby... See I NEVER would have read between the lines and picked that up.
No sarcasm, dead serious.... I couldn't figure that out.
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Or do you have more to add?
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Now what about Morgan?
Are you 100% done?
I just want to make sure.
You were very prolific before.
I know your are busy with defending human rights and all but I just want know whether you have finished.
I wouldn't want you to leave anything out.
Unless of course you have nothing.
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Do wish to add anymore to your statements.
I just want to know whether you are 100% done.
Not that you seem to make much sense anyway.
But I thought perhaps you could do more than dribble this:
"...Orble's resident Paedophile Priest and his jingoistic sidekick. Damo, Dave, Nevar"
Are you 100% done.
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You sound as if you have more to say.
Or are you 100% finished.
Yes or no?
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Now go for it.
I want you to let it all out.
Or do lack the basic skill to make a valid point.
Thus far it appears so.
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I only just got the link to this post (thank you, Morgan
I don’t blackmail people - I don’t need to, as being nice will get you everywhere.
I am also not suffering from anything. I act as a counselor for young people who are recovering from depression and mental illness at my local health community centre, which means I work side by side with a clinical psychologist every week, who would have noticed by now if I was unwell (I’ve been going there for over two years now).
Ahmed has no friends (that’s not an insult, he'd agree with me) as he goes out of his way to avoid people and prevent people from discovering what little that is likable about him. He will tell you he's a nice guy, but he's pretty much the only person that thinks so. He told a good friend of mine that I hated her, which led to much head-scratching on our behalf. The only reason we could come up for this seemingly sociopathic behaviour is bitterness over our closeness and/or anger that neither of us can be convinced that he is someone worth talking to. We both dropped him completely from our MSN lists after that.
As for being homosexually inclined, since all homophobes are, and Ahmed has yet to prove to me that he is not… no big conceptual leap on my behalf.
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Are you sure?
I think POMC wants to argue with Ahmed.
Do you want to create another post for them?
I really just want confirmation from everyone that they 100% are finished.
I would want to respond if they have any doubts about their own capabilities to coherently explain why they hate me.
So far it looks pretty weak.
Especially Morgan who does not seem to even know who she is talking about. She has a whole list of names.
I just want to be certain that are talking about me and that they are 100% finished.
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I can tell you why I don't like you - because you're sexist and downright mean. Just like Ahmed, and plenty of your regular readers.
And no, I have nothing to say to Ahmed.
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"Wake up Damo, there is no certainty"
Have you got anything else?
The floor is yours.
I just want make sure that you are 100% finished.
Sexist and Mean?
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I do find the posts and comments amusing generally when these spat's go on. Though I don't make much comment - I tried reading SL Bradish's blog, but found that it was really bad for my blood pressure because that kind of ultra-conservative redneck view of the world makes me angry. So now, I try to stay away........unless she posts something so ridiculous I feel compelled to berate!!!
But shit lets be honest, how fucking boring would Orble and blogging in general be if we all just agreed with each other????
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Are you 100% done?
done what? talking to Someone on this post? probably not, if he keeps asking me questions id say it is highly likely i will answer them
if you are referring to the gap between my last comment and now, i was sleeping
have i finished defending human rights? no.
it is bizarre that you would even try to make that out to be a bad quality
if you want to disagree with any of the names i put forward then go ahead . . . Someone was asking about the dynamic between users and why (and how) fights get started and escalate on Orble, his question was:
and i explained as best as i could
if you have something to add, or your own interpretation, im sure Someone would love to hear it
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People from the queer community sleep? I was under the impression all they did was sit around talking about how much they hate God and and worship the devil and high-five each other for voting in/supporting Obama because he is the anti-christ!
(p.s. This is not a jab at anyone in particular... like I said, I just like stirring shit)
"if you have something to add, or your own interpretation, im sure Someone would love to hear it"
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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haha yes well ever since witches covens and brewing potions in cauldrens went out of vogue we have to make do with the odd high five!
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I am pissing my self laughing.
Anyway
Back to Morgan
Are done yet/
Or do have any more left in you.
I do not want stop any one if they have something coherent to say about me.
I just want to know what you have got to say about me and no one else.
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Are you done yet?
Everyone else
Maybe I will come back in a two days when you are done.
I don't want interrupt anyone if they have something to say.
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Are YOU done yet?
100% done? Finished? All over red rover?
I just wanna make sure you're completely finished.. before I call you a tool...
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I haven't even had a say yet?
I just want to know whether any of you brilliant people could mount a valid argument.
So far the answer is an emphatic no.
I am giving you two days to get together and think it through.
By that time a primary school kid should be able to present an argument.
In the meantime I will do what I want.
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Well I run with 12 gangs! And we only commit hate crimes!
Whatever, I'll do what I want!
I am finding this endlessly entertaining. Thanks everyone!
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Cool Beans.
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Or what? You will patronise us to death?
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Come on, that's a fair compromise. The scroll-wheel doesn't work on my mouse, scrolling down all the time is awfully annoying.
edit: change of plans... it's all staying here.
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And if anyone disagrees with calling u a fuck head....well leave that to me.....
FUCK HEAD
You just dripple bullshit!!!!!
Get a fucking life!!!!!
Im pretty sure thats all is to be said.......
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I will not tolerate baseless namecalling here. If you have a problem with Damo, spell it out. That's what this post is about. Give us reasons, give us evidence.
If you're just going to call him names, do it on your own blog. I don't want that shit here. If you can't come up with a coherent or valid reason, well, shut the fuck up.
edit: Butterfly, you are proving his point for him. You are just spewing hatred with no basis, which is exactly what he is accusing you all of.
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I take exception to this. Please don't assume that we are all a monolithic entity. I speak for myself and no-one else and no-one else speaks for me. I don't know Butterfly 7 and I don't want to be associated with his/her comments.
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You, out of all of the Damo-Hating bandwagon, have probably done the best job of expressing the reason why. Everyone else seems too preoccupied with calling him names.
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Are done yet/
was that a question?
you might have to be a bit more specific . . . done with what exactly?
hi Ruby,
i quite enjoyed that musical selection!
haha are you reading my mind?
hi Someone,
3 covens and 12 hate gangs? geez how do you find the time to post?
sorry if your scrolling finger is getting overworked . . . usually if you wait a sec the page automatically scrolls you to the comment you have been notified of
its tricky to know what to do when swear-bears comment your blog . . . so much responsibility as a moderator . . . i had to remove some colourful language from S.L. Bradish and alt_ed once . . . if Nevar comes around accusing people of murder you might be really tested for a polite response!
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I think what Damo means is... I asked people why they hated him, and he's asking if you guys are done answering the question before he replies... Am I on the right track there Damo?
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do you want everyone to stop interacting with you until he returns?
ive really only been responding to your questions, i dont see how that is blocking him from contributing if he so desires . . .
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you're fun to talk to, so don't stop now. Besides, if no one pays any attention to me how am I meant to stir things up?
I'm not sure why he wants you guys to be 100% done before he replies... I dunno, whatever floats his boat I suppose? In the meantime, random discussion is welcomed. We should let Ahmed and PoMo fight to the death in the meantime to keep us all entertained
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Ahmed and PoMo have been known to completely take over posts with their banter . . . be careful what you wish for!
i think i have pretty extensively covered which topics cause particular users to disagree and where i stand on the issues (see comments above) . . . even David pretty much reiterated what i said with regards to how explosive gay rights and abortion can be . . . i even located the post which sparked the latest furor . . . i dont know how much clearer i can be!
if you want examples of prior clashes just type "Abortion" into the search function and you can see posts that display how users treat each when it comes to womens rights
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What's interesting me now is all the hatred being flung Damo's way... I haven't seen him do/say anything particularly hateful/unwarranted, so it's a little confusing.
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which posts are you referring to?
each user probably has their own reasons for each particular post or comment that they create . . .
are you sure you dont just think Damo is being picked on because he regularly writes about how hes being picked on?
i think thats like his hook, on his blog he likes to play the persecuted card and do a running commentary on the events of Orble as though its all revolving around him, hes a fairly self-important sort of dude . . . you should give some of his posts a read, some of it can be really entertaining!
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"And if anyone disagrees with calling u a fuck head....well leave that to me.....
FUCK HEAD
You just dripple bullshit!!!!!
Get a fucking life!!!!!
Im pretty sure thats all is to be said.......
And yes the last post was to DAMO"
QED
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i know youre being funny but really what were the examples that led you to write this post?
(that particular comment obviously occurred after the fact)
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Plus in general I notice a fair bit of Damo-bashing going on. I can't remember exactly where it was, but the other comment that inspired this was by alt_ed. He was talking about (hitting on) CherylJ [i saw what was going on, you sly dog you!], saying her views were good in comparison to, oh, Damo, which (he said) was utter shit.
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yeah so one post by a new user who was brazen enough to declare they would prefer if Damo didnt engage with them, and one comment where another user says they prefer CherylJ to Damo . . . all i can say is dont be brainwashed by Damo's headlines!
i think he has a pretty loose interpretation of "hatred" and "bigotry" . . . they are terms he flings around willy nilly, i think it might be the theme of his blog!
disapproval of Damo's content doesnt constitute "hatred" or "bigotry", neither does disagreeing with positions he expresses on third party blogs . . . but throwing the terms around attracts readers to his blog to investigate the fake controversy
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Cant you people jsut live and let live?
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live and let live . . . great sentiment!
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Ruby seems to dislike him, and she's made the reason's pretty clear. Alt_Ed has said that Butterfly7 was "one of us", and has also made it clear that he doesn't like Damo (although I can't recall him mentioning why?). There seemed to be a general trend among the 'liberal' Orblers to dislike Damo, my post was just wondering why.
My issue with alt_ed wasn't so much that he preferred CherylJ to Damo, but more that he called Damo's blog utter shit. I happen to enjoy reading it, so I was wondering what he had against it/
From what I can tell, I have seen more hatred coming out of S.L.'s blog (as an example) than Damo's, so I'm not really understanding why he's the 'conservative' that everyone chooses to hate.
Besides, it's not like anyone actually makes money off this site, right? At least I know I don't, and I doubt shitstirring the tiny pool of bloggers here is really going to be quick path to fame and fortune.
Actually, I don't think I've made a cent off this site... Damn.
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Bear in mind virtually everything I say here is in jest...
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i think you will find alt_ed was being sarcastic and using your own group terminology to respond to you . . . it stems from Damo, David and Bradish continually referring to myself, Ruby and alt_ed as an organised group (of children) when we infact all blog completely independently of each other and rarely even on the same topics
heres a little back story:
i personally think Ruby is one of the best (if not the best) writers on Orble and i am subscribed to her blog because it is interesting and really well researched . . . there is a pool of older users who object to her "anti-religion" topic matter who go to great lengths to paint me as her "lapdog" in order to discredit my opinions as not being my own . . . theyre not after fame and fortune, they would just prefer not to see either of our posts on the homepage because they are very set in their ways
i say this to explain why you will see "conservatives" refer to "us" as a "group" - this of course is just my own interpretation of how the phenomenon occurred, but it obviously is an idea that has penetrated your psyche aswell
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Like I've said before, I'm pretty retarded when it comes to picking up subtle sarcasm / reading between the lines / etc.
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It seems to me that a lot of people say they on't take any sides but they actually do
It's like saying 'hey I'm independent, I make up my own mind which just so happens to always agree with this bunch of people here'.
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if you give me a specific issue i can tell you what "side" i would take, i dont just agree with people by default, and i tend to comment people who encourage discussion regardless of the topic, people like CherylJ, Jason King, Norm, Two Guys Sports (Gene) etc, easy going people who have a sense of humour, i dont have to agree with people to leave a comment i just have to think they are nice and well-intentioned
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I confess, like someone, I too like stirring the proverbial pot of boiling shit.
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I'm not accusing you of taking sides.... just basically everyone else. You said that if I offer you a particular issue you will take a side, and I think Ahmed hit the nail on the head. There's 2 groups that tend to have the same views across a range of topics, in effect, sides.
If you tend to agree with the liberals and disagree with the conservatives, then you could possibly be construed as a liberal? I dunno. I have another exam in a few hours and am even more deliriously tired than last night, so if my comments get more and more... spaced, there's a good reason.
POODLES!
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Comment by RubySoho
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Here's the thing Someone, the animosity between me and Damo goes back many months. I really didn't set out to make an enemy of him but it was a by-product of many of my posts in which I put forward reasons why I think religion is a waste of time and the Bible is misogynistic and best left in the past.
You won't find many comments by Damo on my blog but you will find a series of posts by Damo in which he attempts to undermine all my posts and calls me a liar and a fraud and a bigot and a hatemaker. He doesn't mention my name but he does quote me, without attribution, I might add.
There are many comments in many posts where Damo continually attempts to paint me as a propagandist with a hidden agenda who is hell bent on recruiting lapdogs (enter Morgan), to my prejudiced cause. Never mind that I am actually just one of many writers on Orble who have blogged about atheism.
And then we have posts like this by his good friend Raven/Nevar in which his and Raven's hatred of me is patently obvious:
Rancid Ruby Soho
You have come onto Orble at a time when the pent up hostilities have exploded. Yes, it might seem like we are an organised front but as I stated above I have had no interaction with Butterfly 7 apart from two comments I left on her/his first post which has been deleted. So what Butterfly's problem with Damo is I don't know. I know alt_ed has had some altercations with Damo also so he has his own reasons. Morgan, by virtue of her online friendship with me has been painted as my sidekick.
There have been many snide and out right rude comments made about the three of us which you probably have not seen which explains why you think this flame war is one sided. But no war is one sided. Even stupid, pointless, online ones.
Comment by alt_ed
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Well Someone, freedom of choice I guess... in my 'personal' opinion Damo's blog is utter shit, however, I also accept that majority of Orble gang probably think the same of mine.
Do I care? Well not really, if you don't like what I right (or even copy & paste) about, that's fine-- God, Morgan and I are best friends but we probably agree with each other less than any of the folks on Orble- it's just that you'll see us making of topic comments as a common courtesy to each other...
My issue with Damo is the elitist bull-shit he spouts, and the attitude he has taken whereby he honestly believes EVERYTHING on Orble to be about him! Well, it's not... I guess, it's also pretty frustrating to have people telling you you're a sinner on every second post. But hey, such is life, doesn't really bother me that much at all. I can just resort to some good ol'fashion Ad Hominem remarks.
I'm sure when Damo replies next he'll make some wonderful statement questioning my intellect (and hey, he's not the first!)... but can someone show me the Blogger IQ Test?
So sure, I may not be the most creative writer, hell, I can't even spell (Look Morgan, there's an AWFUN!), but I do have my unique skills in life such as a good eye for design... plus, I'm cute. So yeah, I'm "100%" content with who I am, sure there may be some geriatrics out there with mail order brides who can string together a sentience better than I, but isn't that what life is about? Difference?
Imagine if we lived in a world where all ANYONE new how to do was write a blog, or produce mediocre PowerPoint presentations... imagine that *cringe*
Comment by m
In one of my first comments on Orble, I made the mistake of ridiculing someone because I thought their criticism of another writer was unfounded. That person's response to me was nasty and I was taken aback, mostly to see how much I had upset them. It made me realize how easy it is to affront the person when you simply disagree with what they are saying.
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Comment by Someone
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Let's Get Down To Business
Damo, they've spelled it out... and they've spelled it out quite well!
Your turn?
Comment by Someone
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And by 'they' I'm not lumping 'you guys' all together as a group again, I just mean everyone Damo seemed to have an issue with...
And if I'm carrying on and ranting a bit and not making too much sense.. well, I've been awake for a looooong time.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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wow youve done well to read throught the whole lot!
hey thanks for the props!
hi Someone,
go to bed Jessica!
you would have a fine career as a private investigator - you have the knack for getting info out of people!
Comment by Damo
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In that time I have intentionally remained silent.
I want to see what people have to say so I know what I am meant to respond to.
Has everyone said what they want to say?
Have they presented their case against Damo?
I want to be certain of that before I respond.
There also a simple question I want answered.
Do all disassociate yourself with Butterfly7 and claim that you complete disapprove of her methods?
I would like that cleared up before I begin.
Comment by Damo
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The Silence does speak volumes.
Any I will address Someone:
What are the rules of this 'Question and Answer' session that you started?
Are their any?
Comment by Butterfly7
Anything and Everything!!!
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BF7, Last warning. If all you are going to do is call Damo names and insult him without providing any reasons, then I am going to start deleting all your comments. Provocation for provocation's sake is not welcome here.
Damo, the only rule I can think of is that I'm really only interested in the reasons behind anything. You can defend yourself, but in doing so please try not to insult them unjustifiably.... then they get angry and call you names, and then you get angry and call them names, and that's not what this is about at all...
Comment by alt_ed
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Urh, actually, no it doesn't... I think BF7 is well within her rights to state that she doesn't wish to associate with Damo, and she has not used profanity in her comment.. so what's the issue?
Comment by Damo
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I think that is fair.
So far only Butterfly has farted in my general direction.
I love it when you talk dirty BF7.
Anyway
This is how I am going to do this.
I am not going to get into one big shit fight where a bunch a school children put in the middle and call me names. That was what Padsoc was set up for wasn't it? Sorry, cheap shot for a cheap site.
Now where was I? Oh yes, how am I going to do this.
To be fair I gave you all two days to lay out a clear and concise case against 'Damo', (that's me). I expected that people who are self professed rationalists would be able to rise above their emotions like an Overman or Superman and pinpoint exactly what is wrong with Damo.
The ride thus far has been very emotional, so I hope that you have all made some progress with this group therapy. Yet in terms of being specific it has been rather a dud. Never mind, perhaps when I convert to Ulta Liberalism Mushroom Sniffing I will understand the logic better.
Here is the problem as I see it. You want a shit fight and don't. You want to fight by your rules (schoolgirl circle style) and that does not appeal to me. So I will do it my way.
First I will rebuff the Post written by Butterfly 7.
Then if no one has any objections I will address the errors that have been written about me in this post.
What anyone feels about me is immaterial as far as I am concerned.
I can give you more time if you require it. Perhaps another two days to think it through rationally.
My Rebuff will be placed here after 12.00 p m.
Unless anyone has an objection.
Comment by RubySoho
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The Silence does speak volumes.
Haha. Yes, we were all still asleep. How dare we?
Comment by Damo
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It is not my fault if you can't get up in the morning.
I did not ask about BF7's above comments.
I asked about the original post written by BF7.
Do you wish to completely disassociate yourself from it?
Comment by RubySoho
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But I will say that I had nothing to do with it. I was as surprised as I'm sure you were to see it on the homepage. I just assumed it was written by someone who has had altercations with you in the past.
Comment by Damo
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Comment by Nevar
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a link?
Comment by Damo
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Really Long Link
Note that the post was deleted. I wonder why?
Here is the post to help jog everyones memory:
Im interested in having a chat from anyone (except Damo) so feel free to drop me a comment!!
Mother of 2..... Married for 4 years but been together for 9 years!!!
Pretty down to earth so drop me a line!!!!
I am serious...Dont even bother Damo.....i wont tolerate your shit!!!!!
Thanks for the interest Butterfly7, if that is your real name. With so many bloggers logging out then back in as pseudonyms it is hard to keep track. Thanks for the examples in bad spelling and poor grammar. I know you are in character but if you want to keep a persona of being earthy and intelligent try hitting F7 once in a while.
If you are new to Orble then how did you formulate such a strong hatred of me? (except Damo?) Mother of 2... and the rest of your personal fiction are fascinating to someone I am sure but actually I do not give a crap.
For someone who describes themself as pretty down to earth you ride a very high horse indeed.
“I am serious.” Wow I am impressed with that mood change.
“Don’t even bother Damo...” That sounds like a taunt. I like taunts.
“I (should have hit F7 for the capital i) won’t tolerate your shit...” And I like idol threats.
All I can say is that you are pure class. You open with an insult, set up a hate site and I am not invited to speak at the gang bang. You wish to attack me but you do not want me to respond. How utterly brave of you.
Now let’s get down to the tin tacks of what is really going on.
This is a blatant smear campaign and is cyber bullying at its most childish. I am not surprised that I have been targeted in such a manner because when ignorant people cannot build a convincing argument they lash out. They tackle the man and not the ball. No valid and compelling argument is required when you have insufficient education to mount a convincing argument. ‘Argumentum ad Hominem’ is a tactic used by the ignorant and the unscrupulous.
There is little doubt that the setting up of the ‘Damo Hate Site’ was orchestrated by people who are too cowardly to put their own names to it. We would not want to have a real identification and be sued for defamation of character would we? Nar, that would require courage. And since this seems to be in short supply the faux version will have to do.
I should actually mention the delightful welcoming committee who live in their own amoral vacuum. Rather than question the legitimacy (let alone the intelligence) of setting up a Hate Site they applaud the move as a great strategy. It seems that this is the product that so many people (all 3-4 of them) have wanted: ‘A Damo Hate Site.’ I am impressed that you consider me so important. However the feeling is not mutual. Obviously my words strike raw nerves and I love it.
People to thank:
Comment by alt_ed: Oh dear lord... Does Morgan know about this?
Response by Butterfly7:
“Why do you ask that my Dear?
Morgan helped me sign up......
Are you not pleased to have me on here???”
Thank you for letting me know that Morgan has such a deep seated hatred of me that she would stoop to this. For a girl who prides herself on being educated she seems to be incredibly ignorant. What is the matter Morgan can’t you find an educated answer to the Damo issue? Then again seeing the way she researches I am not surprised.
Argumentum ad Hominem.
Alt_ed responds:
“No, I think it's great.. just wanted to know if Molly-mogs had her and in it...
Is she at yours at the mo? Tell her to answer the PHONE!”
Now Alt_ed is a very nice fellow who stalks people; puts their personal details on line; boasts about it and wonders why people disapprove. It is okay because he can wave the ‘cute gay victimhood flag’ as a legitimate excuse. Yes, that does impress me. I did not spend much time thanking him for the urinating elephant; the image designed incite anti religious hatred towards David and myself and his insulting comments on my blog because he was doing a great job of proving himself an ass. (When in doubt use bigotry to make the point.) Who is Molly-mogs anyway?
However this is a telling line: “Is she at yours at the mo? Tell her to answer the PHONE!”
So they do they know each other? They apparently have each other’s phone number. The plot thickens.
Morgan jumps in: “welcome to the party!”
Ah yes, it is a ‘party’. Is that lynching party perhaps? Sorry if I don’t attend despite being the guest of honour. Thanks for the cowardly little effort ‘Morgie’. I can understand why you lack the actual courage to do it yourself. Hmmm? Because you are in fact the kind of coward that needs to have other people fight your fights. BTW, who else are you planning to target? Nietzsche would be so proud of your devotion to his ethics.
I’ll skip the next comment as a neutral bystander.
However Ruby cannot help herself and says:
“Welcome. Methinks our little clan of 3 maybe be expanding...”
“Clan of 3 Maybe be expanding?” Thank you for confirming that this three against one. The extra ‘be’ maybe a result of her higher education or just an emotional tick that she has. However when you have a lot of hate to give why not share it around. Message to Ruby: you already have three against one and you are losing, what makes you think 100 against one will work any better? If they all argue like you then I am very safe.
The definition of Madness: Repeating the same mistake and expecting a different answer.
I will now write ‘Green Left Weekly’ because that pisses her off.
Alt_ed boasts: Me too Ruby (evil laugh). You know, BF7 is my female equivalent; perhaps even a little more violent
There is that word: ‘violent’. Ah, his desires come through in the form of a Freudian slip. Wink, wink....
Skip the next comment as a neutral bystander.
Cheryl J writes with her smiley grin:
Welcome to Orbleland!
I see you have obviously read My Apologetics and don't agree with the D man's opinions. Well at least you're up front about what you want
To put this in plain English: ‘I hate what Damo writes but lack the basic skills to legitimately and coherently disagree in writing. Not only that, I failed to understand that people can agree to disagree. BF7 please rip him a new arsehole just for me. But I am really a sweet little gal inside.’ Thanks Cheryl J you make me laugh.
Ruby Again: BF7? Not BF8 then? hahaha.
Congrats butterfly. one day on the job and you have earned yourself a revenge post. though to be fair, you did kinda start it....
I can see that higher education coming through already. They must be doing away with capital letters these days. If Ruby took the time to follow the link on my post she would know that there is in fact a writer called Butterfly 8 and I was responding to that user. The fact that Butterfly 8 is me just shows how easy it is to exploit Orble’s weaknesses. Wink Wink. “Revenge post?” Who are you trying kid?
BF7 (as she is affectionately called) speaks again:
Its truely amazing to see my name on here changed on a certain blog....
All i have to say is read his blogs.....
seriously.... He says it all.....
I dont need to start or say anything nasty....he is seriously fucked in the head....
He brings all this on himself.....he is the one who writes absolute shit.....
Truly is spelled T-R-U-L-Y and don’t forget the capitals. And have ever been taught what this is: ‘
‘Read his Blogs...’ That is the only piece of advice I will agree with. I have over 700 of them. By all means tear them all apart if you have the skills. Since you decided that ‘argumentum ad hominem’ and ‘guilt by innuendo’ is your method I won’t be losing any sleep waiting for it.
"‘I dont need to say anything nasty’" (because you already have)
‘ ... because he is seriously fucked in the head...’
There you go, despite having no need to say anything nasty you go ahead and do it anyway.
‘He brings all this on himself.....’
Well that has me completely ruined. It is ‘all my own fault’ that you set up a Hate Site with the help of Morgan and invited people to start sledging Damo mindlessly. (Just like it was the Jews fault that they were gassed by the Nazi’s.) My fault entirely and I should be spanked. (Why does everyone pick on the Nazis?)
‘he is the one who writes absolute shit.....’
So that is your excuse? I write shit? Where do I write? Define shit without referring to your own shit as justification. Do you have a yard stick for measuring the shit content? By all means enlighten me. You seem to be an expert in ‘shit’.
Then again, since you cannot find the words to express what you are trying to say I can only conclude that you lack the basic skills to do so. Also whilst a handful of people may be applauding your poisonous pen letter it still remains just another poison pen letter. I am also happy that you have found friends of you same quality to share it with.
Once again forgive me for not attending your ‘Damo Hate Site’ for the proper Shafting that you set up with the help of your ‘level headed’ friend Morgan. However I am deriving a lot of pleasure watching you squirm at every word that I write. No wonder I have a big ego.
Conclusion:
Now let us get one thing straight, for the entrists on Orble, I am still here and will still write my posts in whatever manner I so choose. If read them and find imaginary hidden messages then that is your own paranoid delusion.
The fact that you are trying such desperate old and lame tactics shows how devoid of logic your arguments are. It is nice to know that such courageous, mature and educated human-rights warriors are protecting everyone’s liberties from the dangerous teachings of Damo.
However, I am still here you morons.
And to quote Paul Hogan: “Come and get me ya miserable bastards!”
“Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima.”
Then again we are talking about [I]‘Faux Populi’[/I].
Comment by Nevar
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Comment by alt_ed
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There is that word: ‘violent’. Ah, his desires come through in the form of a Freudian slip. Wink, wink....
Ad Hitlerum
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ta-ta
Alt_ed
Comment by RubySoho
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Boy for someone who who thinks we are unimportant you spend a lot of time thinking and writing about us.
And you are the last person who should point out the spelling and grammatical errors of other people. Remember this headline: "Don't preach about Censorship if you do not know anything about it (let alone spell it).
How many errors do you see there, hypocrite?
I don't care what you write about, I am just sick to death of you following me around calling me names and exposing your double standards all over the shop. You have called me a liar, a hatemonger, a fraud, a bigot and a manipulator, You have supported and encouraged Raven when he called me a manhater, a childhater, a murderer, insulted my dead father's memory, wrote post after post throwing personal attacks against me for no other reason than I am a feminist and an atheist and a critic of Israel's occupation of Palestine.
And here's the cincher, you have accused me of "wrapping (my)self in the cloak of a martyr" and claiming victimisation. Look at your own behaviour here. A hate site? GET OVER YOURSELF. All she said was that she wouldn't tolerate your bullshit. And that gets you in a tither? That's what you consider a hate site?
Did I accuse you of running a Ruby Hate Site when you wrote this post about me:
Well if you get caught perpetuating a Hoax just keep lying
May 8th 2008 12:08
I never mentioned your name Ruby.
However since you mentioned mine:
There are a few things that may help you out in your future cave trolling adventures.
Really Long Link
Sacked Wizard Hoax.
1 - Every story that you glean of the Internet is still there.
2 - Selecting the facts that suit your agenda is sloppy at best and dishonest at worst.
3 - You kid yourself if you think that such a biased misrepresentation of the facts should be ignored.
4 - The facts were easily available and you made no effort to get the other side of the story.
5 - Why is the word of one man better than that of two?
6 - Who else were you referring to other than Christians, Fundamentalist Christians or Conservative Christians? Wizardry is a specific term with specific Christian origins.
7 - I have provided links to a more balance and complete version of the story.
8 - You exploited your audience emotionally by peddling half truths.
Now a few concepts seem to be alien to you at this stage of your education.
One of which is any sense of ethical integrity to ensure that what you report is accurate and true.
The other seems to be the basic skills to investigate the story in objective manner. (A half-truth is still half a lie)
Lastly you seem to think that cherry picking evidence to match an agenda is somehow new and clever.
Reality check: It is not.
I am waiting for the penny to drop with a few people who have read your beat-up and realize that you were taking them for a ride. ( Some of whom should know better than to leap at a story that seems to good to be true. )
Oh, and incase you think you are the only person have your post exposed for what it is, here is a link of someone else who made a mistake.
Really Long Link
However in that case the person had the moral decency to accept that it was a mistake.
Yet I am not expecting the same level of integrity from you.
Face the facts Damo. You are not that important. Orble is not all about you. A Damo Hate Site. haha. Who can be bothered? Stop flattering yourself. I'm sorry if people used to think you were rational and intelligent and impartial before we came along and refused to comply. Why don't you just admit it? That is your real problem with us isn't it? We are not impressed by you. Too bad. Sorry, but come on admit it, you had a good run. Now run along, I think someone just criticised the Catholic Church for its stance on contraception and embryonic stem cell research. They are just waiting for you to call them a bigot and a hate monger and a...whatever else it is that proponents of Christian Apologetics do.
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Comment by Nevar
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From another post written today.
No, encouragement wasn't needed, you inspired those words with your contemptuous, petty scribblings.
You aren't a feminist, you aren't an atheist, but you are a mouthpiece for the Palestinian terrorists, constantly regurgitating their poisonous rhetoric, and sic, Israel's occupation is very legal.
It's your arab brothers that have abandoned the Palestinian people and incited unrest, Israel takes far better care of the Palestinians than their cowardly leaders who prefer to use them as human shields to influence world opinion.
You're a walking talking contradiction and a poster child for planned abortions as a means of birth control.
Now, if you'd like to parse our past conversations in a public forum, we can do that, but do we really want to go there?
Comment by Damo
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I can see everyone is busy covering their own butts by instantly resorting a another load smears and false accusations.
Let us not get held up with any right of Damo to respond to accusations that have been leveled at him. No, that would just terrible wouldn't it?
I gave you two days without any interference and now you cannot even allow me a right of reply.
Do you fear what I might say that much?
Comment by RubySoho
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Comment by Nevar
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Face the facts Ruby. You are not that important. Orble is not all about you or your father.
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
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I hope that second 'you' was a singular 'you'.
Comment by RubySoho
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Well that depends. What is it you might fear? I might fear it too. You never know.
What smears? What false accusations?
Comment by RubySoho
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Well certainly you have not mocked me as often or as long as Damo has been, but there have been a few recent occasions when you have done so, no?
Sorry to drag you into it but I did want to point out the origins of my sarcastic "clan of three" remark.
Comment by Damo
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I will deal with your manipulation of information first.
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I hope you are getting some clarification on this feud. I am really looking forward to your analysis of the situation. It seems to be just going round in circles. Maybe you now have a handle on it and will provide enlightenment for the rest of the spectators. If not, I suggest that you should adopt a real mediators position and control the question and response through you.
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
Potter in a Harry
I don't know of recent or multiple occasions where I've mocked you.
I parodied one of your posts quite a while ago. Parody can definitely be styled mocking. Fair enough. I'll concede that I mocked you once. My target of ridicule was Australian bloggers who get so emotionally yet only virtually involved in the plight of poor black families in America without any real involvement in the issue itself. I'll parody and mock Obama's puppy speech for the same reason. It reminded me of the film Wag the Dog where it's all about appealing to the emotions versus appealing to the intellect.
If you consider me writing 'clan of three' mocking you? Then you're entitled to consider that mocking. I don't. It was simply a reference to how you Morgan and Ed congregate on each other's posts.
Comment by RubySoho
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And I don't see why I can't comment on the plight of black people in America just because I happen to live in Australia. I was simply commenting on how that picture of the black man with the "hope" sign made me feel. I wasn't aware that one had to have personal experience of everything before being allowed to write about it.
And yes, I do consider that "clan of three" comment mocking. Do we congregate on each other's posts? Yes, I guess we do. That's what like-minded people do isn't it? Use blogs as a means of interacting with one another?
How often do you and Damo and Nevar?Raven "congregate" on each other's blogs?
Comment by Damo
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Comment by Damo
May 27th 2008 02:58
Morgan
I deal with you first.
I hope that you are not taking this nonsense with Ruby too seriously. She is only trolling and fishing for some dirt to fling at me with all her hateful bile.
My job so far is to let her keep exposing herself for what she is. A Troll.
Damo to Anonymous:
Comment by Damo
May 28th 2008 23:46
Anon
Obviously you think that I care what you think.
BTW:
Anyone can if they so choose find out who are by your IP address. So if you are another Orble regular trying be clever then you picked the wrong person. I am Senior Network Engineer by trade, specializing in security and diagnostics.
Damo being nice to Ruby over multiple posts:
Comment by Damo
May 27th 2008 04:47
Ruby
Your low opinion of me only elevates my opinion of myself.
Now Troll back to your little cave where banal arguments, bigotries, prejudices and your petty little hates are treasured by you.
I have no trouble in ignoring your moronic prattle in your own cess pool of ignorance.
You are no daughter of science.
You debase its principles
Comment by Damo
May 27th 2008 05:51
Sophist Troll
Does that mean you are going?
So you finally got the hint.
Took long enough.
Don't let the toilet lid hit you on the way back home.
Here we have Ruby quoting intentionally out of context as a smear tactic.
Why no provide the link so people read the mind numbingly facile arguments that you follow.
Really Long Link
People can read the whole thing if they so chose. 72 comments of existential bong sucking and evasive answers to straight questions.
With her first comment Ruby mentions religion.
My post was about Lobotomies and Eugenics. Nowhere in the essay is religion mentioned.
Here is why I started get the impression that Ruby had an axe to grind:
"Bradish, The Third Reich had the support of the Catholic Church, so your argument falls flat I'm afraid."
SLB did not identify her self as a Catholic, so why bait her with such a taunt?
Here is her most common accusation:
"Anyway, I don't want to argue, I just thought I would respond on yet another post that I inspired....take care."
Here is Ruby bringing up an irrelevant issue:
"No humans are being abused in regards to embryonic stem cell research."
I never even mention ES research. Where did that come from?
My favorite Ruby quote ever:
"You're doing it again. Casting dispersions on my sanity and logic does not help your argument. "
It is not often I laugh out loud but that did it for me. To this day I still think she does not know why it is so funny. Casting Dispersions.
By this time I get the idea she aint too bright.
I call this: 'I am not a bigot but....'
"Need i remind you here that the Bible is littered with passages that condone the rape of women? From this surely we can deduce that the ancient Israelites had no qualms about the rape of non-Israelite women?"
Now lets take a minute to ask what this has to do with science? Give up?
Moving right along. I might as well be reading Jack Chick's Comics at this stage.
And if I do not agree with her little universe:
"I suspected that you were a misogynist beforehand."
No worries I test her to see how she can sort a simple moral dilemma:
I ask her:
"Is it ever morally excusable for a scientist to put an ice pick into the brain of a 13 year old to cure delinquency?"
Here is my issue Jews raping women is very bad, but lobomising 13 year olds. Um, um,um...?
Anyway after this point I get some great sarcasm:
"Congratulations Morgan, you have "legitimate concerns". "
"Maybe its you who needs the three day course in philosophy?"
"Damo to Ruby: Hello Kettle, my aren't you looking black today? "
"I'm truly and utterly floored by your arrogance."
What is really bothering Ruby about my post:
"But is it irrelevant? Mind my manners but it is pretty closely related to hybrid genetic engineering no? And since it came hot on the heels of my post on hybrid stem cell research...well...but of course you never mention names (well almost never) so i have no choice but to let that point go. tracks well covered my friend. "
Wow, I writes post just to piss her off. Not only that I can do it in another subject and still send her a message. I must be the greatest writer that ever lived. Then again she could just be a nut job. Nup, just a troll.
Off she goes...
Two minutes later I get the anonymous coward.
That is it.
The post is still there unedited with all the comments intact.
Maybe I am just being harsh.
But what kind of person keeps records of a flame war just incase I delete them?
Who cares.
Shall we move on with the next one?
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Comment by Morgan Bell
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do you think you are blowing thing a little out of proportion? how does Butterfly7's request that you dont interect with her constitute as "hate"?
yes i assisted Butterfly7 in starting her account, she is an old friend of mine, but i am not responsible for her content, she is a stay-at-home mum who had been a reader of my blog and wanted to try blogging for herself as a social outlet . . . does helping people navigate a website constitute as "hate"?
i have encouraged 5 friends to join up so far because i think the site has merits, and because i would like to help Orble flourish
just the fact that you say:
shows that your attitude in counter-productive to the progress of site . . . the systematic bullying of new users to deter them from the site is anti-social and unecessary
if you want to know why women and homosexuals dont enjoy your your blog maybe you should start analysing your own content
Comment by Damo
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Written by level headed Morgan:
Well you have a list of names.
I cannot speak for anyone else but I can speak for myself.
point.
You make a claim.
Now substantiate it.
I have never declared by race creed or color on Orble so what are you using to derive such insight?
'That they are all Pro-Lifers' well duh? Just as you are a pro-abortionist, sorry you don't like that term. Pro choicist.
"Who have been taught"
By whom?
There is nothing like airing a prejudice to make a point.
BTW where is my post on Homosexuality?
I haven't written one.
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
Potter in a Harry
Do you ever read what you write before posting it?
And I don't see why I can't comment on the plight of black people in America just because I happen to live in Australia. I was simply commenting on how that picture of the black man with the "hope" sign made me feel. I wasn't aware that one had to have personal experience of everything before being allowed to write about it.
And yes, I do consider that "clan of three" comment mocking. Do we congregate on each other's posts? Yes, I guess we do. That's what like-minded people do isn't it? Use blogs as a means of interacting with one another?
How often do you and Damo and Nevar?Raven "congregate" on each other's blogs?
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
Potter in a Harry
How's your question going?
I felt like contributing.
I might start attacking people soon and see just how long it is before Orble get upset.
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
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I think you are a cunt of a religious foetus face with homosexual tendencies bordering on sanctimonious stem-cell research into closet straights with psycho-somatic tendencies that exhibit bipolar tendencies towards sucking on pre-and-post menstrual crucifix dildos with Damo's image on the foreskin, and your anti-life qualities exhibited by being a blogger disgust me to the point of spewing and masturbating on the backsides of those participating in a bestial Black Mass disguised as an Orble greet & meet held at Fred Nile's place with Pauline Hanson as the MC, and a few champagnes to toast the death of the Bali Bombers and the lynching of local abos with Google cut & paste images of Obama on their furry nigger arseholes.
Apart from that? I like your blog.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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so we have a "YES" on the Pro-Life bit
and an "im not telling" on the homosexuality bit
i would actually like to know your opinion, and i wouldnt want to put words in your mouth, so ill let you clear it up for yourself:
1) in your formative years were you taught (by parents, teachers, preachers or priests) that homosexuality is a sin?
2) do you currently think homosexuality is wrong or unnatural?
3) do you think gay marriage should be permitted?
if i have misrepresented you please tell us what your true feeling are
Comment by RubySoho
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I am not even going to respond to any more of your comments. Honestly Damo, you have a problem.
To everyone else if you really want to know what this is all about just read this post:
Really Long Link
where Damo and I discuss this post:
Really Long Link
Everything else stems from there.
But in case you can't be bothered (andreally who can blame you), just allow me to sumarise. Damo hates me because I criticise religion and the Bible. He thinks the Bible and the Catholic Church are beyond the scope of criticism. I disagree. He calls me a bigot. We start arguing, he develops the grudge from hell and devotes countless posts and comments to trying to destroy my Orble reputation, all the while failing to comprehend that the more he attacks me, the more other Orblers are attracted to my blog, because, shock horror, there are other writers on Orble who are atheists or agnostic or simply rational and able to handle a little constructive criticism, and who think the Catholic Church is archaic and needs to get into the 21st Century.
Damo can't stand this. He think that I am just some sort of master manipulator who is making people think they believe things they don't really believe. I write a satirical post called "seven things I learned from World Youth Day" in which I poke light hearted fun at WYD SYD. He writes a post called "Things I have learned from extremists". I write a post called "A special message to all pro-lifers", he writes a post called "A special message to all pro-abortion propagandists: mass murder is everyone's business". And still he expects others to believe him when he claims he is not targeting me. Does he think everyone on Orble is stupid? Oh yes, he does, otherwise he would not have written this:
Orble is not a pool of intellectual giants.
But I digress.
So other people start defending me when he attacks. He gets even madder and starts lashing out at Morgan and alt_ed. We three refuse to crawl away and die and fightback. He simmers and stews and plans his next move as he thinks How will I bring about the demise of RubySoho who I hate because she says things about the Catholic Church which I do not like?
Enter BF7. She writes an innocuous blog post where she dares to mention his name. Damo, remember, does not like mentioning names. He prefers to be sneaky and underhanded in his attacks. and wala! Damo rejoices as he thinks he has find what he has been waiting for all these months and he pounces! Oh woe is me! I have a hate site created in my honour. They don't dislike me because I am a sanctimonious twat, they dislike me because they are haters and they are plotting to murder me. I must warn everyone!
So Damo creates a revenge personality aka Butterfly 8 where he savages Morgan, who he presumes to be behind BF7. Oh he doesn't mention Morgan's name, he doesn't like to do that, but he does throw in the world "asexual", so yeah, wonder who he is talking about? He comments on BF8 under his own name and proceeds to list comment after comment by me and alt_ed which he thinks makes us look bad but actually serve to make him look like a demented old git. So that's why I make the comments above where I post comments by him in a similar fashion and we have been going back and forth ever since, much to the amusement of Someone and the bemusement of everyone else.
Let's see, have I missed anything? Nope I think that's all I have to say. Oh apart from are you a blog martyr Damo???? Here is help:
Really Long Link
Haha. Jokes on you Damo. The joke is on you.
That's pretty much it. There you go Someone. Did you get all the info you wanted?
Comment by Nevar
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If Morgan should happen to venture back to the land of reality, here's a suggestion: try asking me about what I believe.
For starters:
I believe in the sanctity of life.
I believe that everyone had the right to be a fool.
I believe fetuses are unborn children and have a right to life thats equals their mother.
Homosexuality is what it is and I could care less about life choices, its between them and their conscience.
Procreative marriage should be a coupling of man and a woman.
Non procreative legal unions can be anything other than marriage and grant the couple the same legal rights as hetro couples; ya wanna couple with your doll, your pony, your buddy-its a legal union.
And, I believe I'll have a beer.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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so to sum up you are Pro-Life and oppose gay marriage?
Comment by RubySoho
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I'm afraid I don't get your point.
Comment by Nevar
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Ah, darn - I just made up this quote, your bad habits are rubbing off on me.
Comment by Damo
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My Apologetics
I have a question.
Are you going to allow me to answer all the accusations against me?
Or are you going chop it off?
You opened the forum.
Yet when it comes to my turn to speak what happens?
Am I being denied the right to respond?
All I want to do is go down the list and point out the errors.
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
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My main point all along has been the point I made very early on when Someone first posted this:
I'm over making points. Apart from the subtextual point that happens to be, I'm just joining in the fiasco that Orble has become. To make a non point about a point that has become contentious as to whether or not it is a point or a non-point. And as to whether or not making a subtextual point is actually making a point.
Yossarian!
Comment by RubySoho
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Here is the comment in full:
Comment by Damo
October 19th 2008 20:46
David
There was a recent post about two gay saints that were actually not gay.
However when it comes to running jokes it cracked me up to see how many people swallowed it.
Hook, line and sinker.
Orble is not a pool of intellectual giants.
You can find it on this post:
Really Long Link
I will accept your apology in advance (that's another quote,
and sarcasm to boot).
Comment by Damo
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My Apologetics
For those that think I am going to embroil my self in a side arguments. I do not argue with people when the position is so intractable that they cannot agree on any point.
The original question was why do you hate Damo?
I gave you lot 2 days to make your point and suddenly you want to bicker. Is it just me or is the fighting more important than the answer?
Sorry kids, I don't play by those rules.
I will ignore all comments directed at me and continue.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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do you have some kind of a defect that only allows you to pose questions but never answer any?
homosexuality is not a side argument, you implied i was incorrect in assuming the following:
but you neither confirm nor deny your position . . . why is it so hard for you to answer a question?
do you think a Catholic nun who supports gay rights is "bung"?
your parody article seemed to take particular offence to me reporting on the opinions of a group of Catholic nuns in America who are Pro-Choice and Pro-Gay (if there is such a term)
Deep Pencil "Catholic Nuns Support Gay & Reproductive Rights"
are you a "yellow journalist" and a "power-mad-attention tart" if you suggest gays and women should be afforded equal rights?
do you think a hetero marriage is superior to a same-sex partnership?
do you think the Catholic Church should recognise gay marriage?
you dont have to divulge any information about your own personal faith to give a simple political opinion . . .
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Comment by Damo
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"Buterfly8 seems to be in the same vein as Raven *cough*, I mean Nevar.."
Correction. I made the BF8 post. Though your probably away. BF7 as she is so affectionately seems to think taunting me would not tickle my funny bone. Well it did, and as far as I am concerned my post was much funnier. The subtext of the original Hate Post was so transparent that it was amusing.
"I dare say it stems from Orble's resident Paedophile Priest and his jingoistic sidekick. Damo, Dave, Nevar "
I am going to stop here and direct a question to Someone.
Why did you correct BF7 for swearing but ignored this point?
Next I will address those that have seen this comment why they ignored it also?
"Paedophile Priest?"
By all means find a way to justify using such terms in a sentence with my name in it.
From this point I do not need to reed further.
You have proven what kind of people you are and from now on do dare to hold your selves up as protectors of anyones rights.
This is level at which you operate and will have no part of it and I will have no part of you lot.
I did not come to this post to make friends. I came to confirm an answer for myself.
And you just confirmed it for me.
Comment by Nevar
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Enjoy yourselves, I have better ways to spend my time.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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your name isnt in that sentence, its in the next sentence - theres clearly a full-stop in between
Damo, Dave, Nevar just seem to be backing them up now that their faux moderate liberal facades have been demolished.
if i had to guess who the "jingoistic" person is, i would assume S.L. Bradish
nice way to worm out of answering any questions
Comment by Lady Henrietta Muddling
Potter in a Harry
What if your simple political opinions are formed by your faith? How do you separate your faith from your opinions on politics?
What if you think that your faith is all encompassing?
What is a simple political opinion? Is it different to a complex one?
What is a simple political opinion on a matter that pertains to religion and faith? Such as the one you have posed?
What is a simple religious opinon on a political matter? Without divulging any information about your own personal political leanings?
Do gay people separate what they think about the Catholic Church from what they believe about the Catholic Church? Are some thoughts political and others religious? Where does an atheist fit into this? Where does a gay atheist fit into this?
Do gay people think there are simple political opinions and complex ones?
Or do gay people have differing opinions due to the fact that some are gay, some are lesbian, and some are asexual?
Is there a difference between what you think and what you believe? Or are they one and the same?
Are all questions asked with a genuine desire to know the truth? Or what the other person truly believes? Or are some questions asked with the desire to entrap or ensnare a person?
Are questions worthwhile?
Do questions exist?
What is a question?
Who defines what a question is?
What if I don't agree with the definition of what a question is?
Should we all ask questions and forget about answers altogether?
Should I answer that? Or would that be counter-productive?
Does Orble attract people who have never had a voice? What is the definition of voice? In respect to the question I have posed? Should we argue over the definition of voice before proceeding any further or do we agree that the word voice was used in the way the author intended? Or should it be reinterpreted in the light of the etymology of the word voice? And then which etymyologists do we give credence to?
Am I amsuing myself? Yes, I am. I love absurdity.
Comment by alt_ed
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Damo, I am by no means an English professor however I believe a FULL STOP indicates the end of a sentence...
So just to clarify, No you're not the paedophile priest alluded to, but who knows, perhaps your just a plain old peeping tom??
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Comment by Morgan Bell
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well if one can form an opinion on abortion without disclosing any details of their faith is it really that much more of a stretch to articulate one's views on gay marriage?
and yes Atheists can form views on abortion, gay marriage and the Catholic Church . . . as can devoutly religious people . . . ones faith should neither hinder or help their ability to express their position on any social issue
there are homophobes and Pro-Lifers from all walks of life, neither are positions that hinge on ones religion or lack thereof
non-Catholics frequently comment on whether they agree or disagree with the Pope's stance, and on the role of tradition and faith in society
i know you are trying to deflect from Damo's juvenile behaviour, and i know you guys have alot in common and agree on the basics, but i have alot more respect for someone like you (and even S.L. Bradish) because at least you stand by your opinions and attempt to explain them in a way that people can understand
Comment by Cheryl J
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I stayed out of this intentionally because I think the ridiculous infighting that occurs on this site is childish and boring and I don't participate in it. As you can see it is usually nasty and personal which amazes me because there are probably only a handful of writers on here who know each other personally and so I find it intriguing that people dislike people they haven't met. I certainly dislike and disagree with some comments but as for the person, unless I personally know them I couldn't say if I liked or disliked them.
I just want to say something to Damo.
To put this in plain English: ‘I hate what Damo writes but lack the basic skills to legitimately and coherently disagree in writing. Not only that, I failed to understand that people can agree to disagree. BF7 please rip him a new arsehole just for me. But I am really a sweet little gal inside.’ Thanks Cheryl J you make me laugh.
Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I'm starting to see why people have a problem with you. I'm sorry to disappoint but what I wrote on that post was exactly what I meant.
I was saying welcome to a new writer on Orble. The title and the post got my attention because it was so obviously directed at another writer.
Which meant exactly that - I see she didn't like your blogs but I guess, well at least she was up front. The wink was a little sarcasm.
I have no opinion on any of your posts other than the ones I have left comments on and if memory serves, none were in any way derogatory and in some instances I actually agreed with what you were saying.
Did I agree with Butterfly7's post? Actually I didn't. I thought it crossed a line but I also thought it very funny that a new blogger would show such open hostility toward another without trying to hide it in innuendo. Hence my "at least you were being upfront"
As for the "welcome to Orbleland, I hope your experience is a good one". Shoot me. I was actually being pleasant to a new writer.
I don't think I've ever said anything, or directed any malice, in your direction or toward anyone on Orble. Ever. Even if I have disagreed with any blogger, I have always stated my disagreements and never personally insulted or attacked another writer. I actually think it is the difference of opinions that makes blogging sites interesting and funnily enough I always take the stance of 'agree to disagree'. So you have very obviously not read any of my comments where I have not agreed with the writer. Sorry if being a nice person is actually an objectionable quality.
If you don't think I am coherent or that I lack basic writing skills, that is your opinion and you are welcome to voice it (perhaps I should tell my editor, she may want to fire me now) but before you cast stones at another's writing it may be best to run a spell checker through your own occasionally.
I have not done or said anything to have you direct a nasty comment toward me except leave a comment on somebody else's blog that had your name in it, or perhaps because I leave comments on the blogs of people you dislike or that openly dislike you. That is their opinion not mine. Although after this I have to say my neutral opinion is wavering. Not that I expect you to care about that nor do I care if you do or don't.
Do I understand why you were upset or offended by a nasty post with your name it? Absolutely, as I understood when vitriol was spat at RubySoho and Morgan Bell and Raven/Nevar (it has happened with both names he has used), even when Raven openly and personally attacked me on a blog I had commented on because our opinions differed. I still didn't agree with posts that smeared his name. I would want to defend myself too but please direct your anger at those who have actually said something nasty to or about you. That comment I left in no way stated or had any subtext that I had a problem with you or your blog.
By the way Someone, better late than never. Welcome to Orbleland, I hope your experience is a good one. It is certainly proving to be an interesting one thus far
Sorry, I left a smiley. I hope I haven't offended anybody.
And just to clarify, my posts do have many grammatical and spelling errors in them too as they're very informal but for the most part I think they're coherent. You can be the judge of that.
Comment by Someone
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Guys, I have a confession to make, and its a bit of a shocker...
I really don't give a fuck anymore! And truth be told, I don't understand why any of you do either. My take on the situation is thus: If you don't agree with them, cut them out. Delete any comments they leave on your blog, and ignore their blogs. Just like that, problem solved.
I had no idea this would spiral into such a complex issue when I asked the question, but I'm pretty bored with all the bickering. It was entertaining for a while, but I'm done with it now.
Damo, this is not me stopping your reply. I am leaving this forum open, you guys can continue to argue to your heart's content... but I'm bored, and I'm moving on... and I think you guys should too.
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They don't either, haha.
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This is why I usually stay well away from this shit. It all gets so fucking boring. Ahmed's got it in one, most of us don't give a rat's. I just kept seeing my name pop up.
This is why the Orble God's granted us the power of 'delete'. Such absolute power mwahahahahaha!
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Comment by Nevar
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They skimp on the flavor when they make them.
Comment by Damo
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This will be my last comment on this post.
My point was very clear.
I did not come to Orble to defend my honour or big note myself in front of a lot of people.
There is a limit to what I will and will not write and I do not cross that line.
Some people have made a lot of judgements about the person because of what they believe and drawn conclusions that have no validity.
It is ironic that you did get bored so quickly because I got bored after the first comment.
Because I let this go on for two days to see how long it would go. The feeding frenzy did not get smaller and people did not find any solace in airing their anger.
Instead it become like a machine that wants to consume more.
You have to admit that for a person that got bored, you did stir the pot twice: Once in this post and once in a post called "Judgement Day". I think even you realize that was a bad move.
Admittedly I purposely stirred the pot with My Rebuff to what I considered a blatant attempt at cyber bullying.
I now know the definition of stupidity:
230 comments on a question that does not make things any clearer and does not make anyone feel better.
Why do it? That is what I cannot understand.
Why waste so much time on hate when there so much in this world?
Is there really any prize for being the king or queen of the blog site?
On leaving I will extend an apology to CherylJ who insists that I have misconstrued her words and put words in her mouth. If I am absolutely wrong then I will eat humble pie and apologize.
To others I will not be returning to read what is written.
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I'm feeling a bit left out.>snif<
But..I'm going to post my two cents late anyway, even if there is no one left to read it.
I saw a few generalisations going on, which I'd like to rebut:
My beliefs are, I suppose, liberal. I don't like being categorized according to my beliefs.
If you must categorize me, I'm a professional drummer.
Nevar, David and Damo are all very aware of my beliefs, as I am of theirs.
We're all friends. Well, cyberfriends.
In some areas, I am about 180 degrees away from some of the beliefs they have expressed; the same goes for them with me. So why are we friends? Because none of us judges the others about a few differences of opinion. Also, when we disagree we don't attack each other.
So we disagree about religion and abortion. Why would I screw myself out of getting to know such interesting people because of that? So we don't discuss those subjects. There are far better things to talk about, and to learn from each other.
There are many things I admire about all three of them: plain speaking and no bullshit being foremost. A sense of humor. A detailed knowledge of what they post about. That, in my book, trumps any posts they make that I don't agree with.
I've mixed it upwith Ahmed a few times long ago, but you know--I like Ahmed. He's a little shit-stirrer, but he never denies it. He'll listen to reason and logic, and he doesn't get nasty till someone else does. Plus I PMed him asking for technical advice once and he was very generous and kind in his answer. So, yeah--I think he's a nice guy.
"You know, everyone's always for free speech..that is, till someone gets offended." (I think that was George Carlin)**That was Alan Uthman, editor of the Buffalo Beast magazine--ed.
I also have no quarrel with Ruby, Ed, Morgan or Cheryl K,--I've read a few comments by some of them that struck me as very intelligent observations.
SO..I know there are things all of you agree on. Darfur. The corporatisation of the world. Rudd's a bunghole. Global warming. There must be a hundred things you can all agree on.
I hate to see such a colossal waste of so many good brains and articulate expressionists all fighting with one another about subjects you are never going to change each others' minds about.
Why the hell don't you team up on something you all agree on? All together, you'd be unstoppable.
Someone,
I think you are a cunt of a religious foetus face with homosexual tendencies bordering on sanctimonious stem-cell research into closet straights with psycho-somatic tendencies that exhibit bipolar tendencies towards sucking on pre-and-post menstrual crucifix dildos with Damo's image on the foreskin, and your anti-life qualities exhibited by being a blogger disgust me to the point of spewing and masturbating on the backsides of those participating in a bestial Black Mass disguised as an Orble greet & meet held at Fred Nile's place with Pauline Hanson as the MC, and a few champagnes to toast the death of the Bali Bombers and the lynching of local abos with Google cut & paste images of Obama on their furry nigger arseholes.
Apart from that? I like your blog.
--absolutely floored me. I'm still laughing.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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thanks D
hell ive even agreed with S.L. Bradish on occassion, but then again shes prety upfront with her opinions so you always know where she stands
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You discussed me, you serpent of wickedness!
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And the other one (sorry Damo) is as much as he'd probably hate to admit it, start up a good shitsotrm or trolling session, he talkes the bait.
For the record I have nothing against Damo or anyone here, though portions of Lady Dave's behavior mean while I like some of his work, I'd be a fool to trust him.