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What constitutes bad manners? - by D. Armenta

Breastfeeding in public

March 21st 2007 01:10
I recently read an article on another site by an American woman who stated that "only Americans are offended by public breastfeeding." I disagree, having lived and travelled outside of the U.S. on several occasions. The article read thusly: "If you don't like it, don't look. I am not going to let my baby go hungry just to spare your feelings. People who stare or make comments are very rude..nursing is beautiful and natural, so there's nothing wrong with doing it in public"
Now when I commented, politely suggesting several discreet ways to nurse without hiking up the blouse and baring a breast in public (which was why people were staring and commenting) I was attacked from all sides by nursing mothers...putting a blanket or cloth over the area was too hot for the baby, specially-made nursing tops were too expensive, "Why should I learn to sew a button on a nursing flap for your feelings?" "Why should I express my milk into a bottle because you're uncomfortable?"


So, this thread's question is: Are you made uncomfortable by (indiscreet) breastfeeding in public? Is this bad manners on the part of the mother, or a necessary and natural thing that shouldn't bother anyone? Please , if you don't mind, say where you're from in the world and if not too personal, your age group..
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Comment by Cibbuano

March 21st 2007 01:28
It doesn't make me uncomfortable, but I think there's a time and a place. In a park, sure. In a restaurant, it depends if it's a family-friendly restaurant.

Also, I believe that people are free to do things in public, but then the public is free to look. C'est la vie!


Comment by katyzzz

March 21st 2007 02:27
I think Cib sums it up, I wouldn't want people staring at my breasts, so discreet is the way to go.

But a starving bub, and they always think they are starving when they're hungry, needs to be fed, for everybody's state of mind and for a contented baby.

It's tough being a mum, but the breastfeeding doesn't really last very long.

katyzzz

Comment by Mrs M

March 21st 2007 04:04
Well here in Australia shopping centres are quite good with providing parents rooms for mothers to breastfeed, change their babies. Fathers are welcome.

If you know that you are going to feed your child in public you can use a very light cheesecloth wrap to cover yourself. It still provides enough circulation for the baby. But it is a personal choice.

When I my children were young babies I would always go to a parent's room. When they were older I found it far easier to be discreet (without the use of a sheet) because the baby and I were working well together through this whole breastfeeding caper. They attached well and easily with no fuss.

Seriously, at the end of the day, you can go down to a beach and see a dozen women wearing a bikini that barely covers the breast and no-one bats an eyelid. It's not bad manners to breast feed a child in public.

One day I took my two older children to swimming lessons and had my baby with me. Well he needed a feed, so I proceeded to feed him. Without realising it there was a 15 (or so) year old boy sitting next to me. His mother asked him to fetch something from the car and when he got up she moved into his position next to me. No-one said anything but I think the mother was a little concerned about her son possibly seeing a bare breast and he was very eager to run the errand for his mother. I wasn't offended either way - it's was just one of those moments.

Comment by Damo

March 21st 2007 04:55
What else are they for if not for feeding?

Comment by D. Armenta

March 21st 2007 05:35
What interesting comments so far! I think Australia has the right idea; is that the "nappie room" you mentioned in your post about the unkindness of people, Mrs.M?
I must admit I was a bit peeved when I was "attacked" by American nursing mothers; not because I particularly object to public nursing but because of the strident tone in which they commented. "Why should I care or make any effort for anyone else?" just hit me the wrong way. I also have traveled to places where whipping out a breast in public (as opposed to more discreet methods like covering up with a cheesecloth) is not well received, no matter what the purpose..it's not "only Americans", as was stated.
Thanks all for your intelligent and politely stated views!

Comment by Brenton

March 21st 2007 08:44
Get em out in the open i say. No sense in covering up, lads or ladies, it's too hot anyway.

Just as long as you remain sun smart.

Not like me, I got burnt today while playing touch footy, firtst time in years.

/tangent.

Comment by Sandi

March 21st 2007 14:53
Ah the breastfeeding Nazi's. That's what I dubbed them.

I am from the US of A, and I have breastfed my babies in public, much to the horror of my mother who is from Korea, born and raised. When she found out that I *gasp* fed my son on a *gasp* public bench at the *gasp* zoo! of all places, she about had a heart attack. I told her "So what?!?" I was covered, and I had on my sunglasses, and you know what? I got a lot of furtive glances from people, who smilled, and one old lady stopped me and said "It's good to see that"

I believe that there is NO harm in being discreet. Yes, America has oversexualized the breast. The reason they are THERE is to feed children, but whipping them out, massaging them to encourage a good let down, and then dangling your child from your nipple is not the way to change that. THAT is what gives breastfeeing a bad name, and that is what the breastfeeding Nazi's don't realize.

Comment by Wendi

March 21st 2007 19:56
I nursed my kids, but I was discrete. I always covered with a light blanket, or found a restroom or private area if needed. However, I'm not "offended" at seeing others nurse openly. To each her own.

Comment by D. Armenta

March 21st 2007 21:33
Sandi, I always called them the "Militant Mums"! From all of the good feedback I'm getting on the subject here, I wish the "Mums gone wild" would take a page from your or Wendi's or the other mums' books who posted here. Forcing one's opinions on people is not the way to get converts, and in this case they give *all* nursing mums a hard time..

Comment by pickumber

March 22nd 2007 02:09
The only thing I find offensive about public breastfeeding is the attitudes of the "militant mums," who apparently aren't one bit concerned with class, dignity or affect their boob floppin has on others. And yes, I'm aware that the mammary glands were built for feeding babies. But boobs aren't just for breakfast anymore. They are a very convenient errogenous zone also, so why not let them multi-task.

Comment by youranter

March 23rd 2007 08:17
Interesting comments. I for one don't want to see it, discreet or not. You can always tell what's happening even if the mother is being 'uber'discreet. There are enough facilities she can go into to take care of business with out inviting looks or comments. My wife could always find them, and when she did, she used them. As to the comment, 'Why should I learn to sew on a button.........', how lame is that? You have a child now and think you're going to raise it without having to learn how to sew? It shows a lazy attitude and maybe that's why the person can't be bothered with a modicom of decency.

Comment by LaurasMom

March 28th 2007 19:41
Why does it matter if you KNOW what's going on if you can't SEE anything? If the what if offensive is the display of breasts, then most nursing mums don't show anything. I know I don't. But, if it is as I suspect, it isn't really about what if being SEEN. Some people don't like the IDEA of breastfeeding at all so much that just know that it's happening somehow disturbs them. I'm pretty sure that no law or rule of etiquette requires someone to keep someone from KNOWING and thinking about you breastfeeding. Get over it.
And no Youranter, there are many clean comfortable private place to "take care of business" unless you count a bathroom sitting on a toilet. (At least in the southern US where I live) If you want to eat in there be my guest.

Comment by D. Armenta

March 29th 2007 01:09
Ahem, Laura's Mom: "indiscreet" breastfeeding. Hiking up your blouse and whipping out a breast. I don't think anyone really cares or even notices as long as discretion is used. Those who do care have as much right to their opinion as you do; I asked for all opinions on this post, not just one side.

Comment by Fingertip Titans Unite

January 23rd 2008 23:08
I was fortunate enough to be near a ladies room, or some place private when mine were babes. I worked in a portrait studio at one time, however, and there was not a private room nearby, so when there were hungry babies and lactating mothers, I moved the signs around to make a private place for them, (so the shopping public didn't get an eyeful) and in at least one case, we carried on with the Portrait selection during the entree. I think the people who desire to breastfeed are simply doing what they know to do, and the ones who's manners we should be concerned about are the observers. For instance, One lady, who was next in line at the portrait studio, got impatient with the wait, and yelled "Is She BREASTFEEDING in there!!!????" To which I answered loudly "Why YES, She IS!!! And YOU'RE NEXT!!""
In this case, if she hadn't been creening her neck around the sign, and minded her own business, she never would have seen the hideous act of a mother feeding her baby.

Comment by D. Armenta

January 24th 2008 00:59
Thanks for your comments, FTU.

I think this all ties in nicely with my other post about "assholes" and "non-assholes" being the only two kinds of people in the world.

Comment by Shelly

July 19th 2008 07:06
Youranter-you have got to be kidding? Offended at the mere thought that a mother is simply feeding her little one especially if she's covered. WHatever.
I've only had positive encounters when "in the act." I've had all ages (mostly late 20's on) come up to me and compliment me for doing it, saying it was great to see a mom doing it. I am very discreet too. I would not just let everything come out and have no coverage. America has breasts so overly sexualized-it's pathetic. Way to go for breastfeeding moms and the people who actually still have the ability to know breasts for what God intended them-feeding infants/babies/toddlers.

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