An Open Letter to Aimee Dent
July 10th 2009 00:28
Before I begin, for the purpose of this rant I am assuming Aimee Dent is a persona of Alt_Ed. If I am wrong, please Ms Dent, correct away.
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To Ms_Dent
First and foremost, I blame the Orble exodus on you. Because of you, several of the most entertaining writers on this site have decided to call it quits.
Why, you might ask? Why would I blame you? Simple. Before you came along, Orble had some lines in the sand, so to speak. An uneasy truce, whereby those that didn't agree tended to avoid each other. You may see your 'clever' little persona as a way to expose bigotry and bias...
But I have another perspective.
I see you as a shitstirrer, plain and simple. You couldn't stir any more shit using your own identity because you were notorious: People had learned to ignore you and delete you. So you created a new one. People wised up to that too, after a while.
What were you to do now? You couldn't stir any more shit from this side of the fence, so you decided to jump over. No one would expect you to do that! Indeed, I reckon everyone was blindsided by your little ploy.
And now that line in the sand is gone, and alot of the writers that kept this site vibrant and entertaining are jumping ship. I ask you now, who's left for you to harass? Everyone here will soon conform to your beliefs, and everyone that doesn't will soon be driven off or just get sick of it and take off of their own accord.
Soon you shall find this to be a dull and lifeless place, and you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Really, was it that hard to just engage in adult conversation? Couldn't you just leave them be, and stick to those you saw as friends? What drove you to harass and insult, and eventually purge, all of those with differing opinions? Why weren't you content with sticking to a friendly debate? If things got heated, there was no reason to resort to personal attacks: If anyone does it, it proves more about them than the people they are insulting.
And you can't say I'm just gay-bashing now: I respect homosexual rights, I have gay friends and wholeheartedly support everything that they stand for.... but I still do not respect you or what you have done to this site.
So Ms. Dent, in closing: Fuck you for ruining Orble. Life is going to be a lot more dull and grey, thanks to your efforts.
edit: I know I said I don't like personal attacks, or attacking people for their opinions. Well, I probably agree with alot of Ms Dent's opinions... I'm attacking him/her for their actions.
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To Ms_Dent
First and foremost, I blame the Orble exodus on you. Because of you, several of the most entertaining writers on this site have decided to call it quits.
Why, you might ask? Why would I blame you? Simple. Before you came along, Orble had some lines in the sand, so to speak. An uneasy truce, whereby those that didn't agree tended to avoid each other. You may see your 'clever' little persona as a way to expose bigotry and bias...
But I have another perspective.
I see you as a shitstirrer, plain and simple. You couldn't stir any more shit using your own identity because you were notorious: People had learned to ignore you and delete you. So you created a new one. People wised up to that too, after a while.
What were you to do now? You couldn't stir any more shit from this side of the fence, so you decided to jump over. No one would expect you to do that! Indeed, I reckon everyone was blindsided by your little ploy.
And now that line in the sand is gone, and alot of the writers that kept this site vibrant and entertaining are jumping ship. I ask you now, who's left for you to harass? Everyone here will soon conform to your beliefs, and everyone that doesn't will soon be driven off or just get sick of it and take off of their own accord.
Soon you shall find this to be a dull and lifeless place, and you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Really, was it that hard to just engage in adult conversation? Couldn't you just leave them be, and stick to those you saw as friends? What drove you to harass and insult, and eventually purge, all of those with differing opinions? Why weren't you content with sticking to a friendly debate? If things got heated, there was no reason to resort to personal attacks: If anyone does it, it proves more about them than the people they are insulting.
And you can't say I'm just gay-bashing now: I respect homosexual rights, I have gay friends and wholeheartedly support everything that they stand for.... but I still do not respect you or what you have done to this site.
So Ms. Dent, in closing: Fuck you for ruining Orble. Life is going to be a lot more dull and grey, thanks to your efforts.
edit: I know I said I don't like personal attacks, or attacking people for their opinions. Well, I probably agree with alot of Ms Dent's opinions... I'm attacking him/her for their actions.
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Comment by S.L.
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Just out of curiosity.
Are still trying to play games with people.
Because it looks dead obvious.
Comment by Damo - July 3rd 2009 22:29
It becomes harder and harder to see you as an honest person. Your bias is as incredible as the dead horse you keep flogging.
Do you get some innate thrill out of bullying people or are you so self centered that you unaware of what you are doing? Then again you have a history of bias and pecking parties.
Comment by Someone - July 2nd 2009 04:09
What more can I say?
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1. You cannot talk about false accusations. Ever.
2. You would call Damo an objective observer of human behaviour? How about we ask him what he thinks about you, hmm?
3. Even so, Damo was saying I have a liberal bias... something which in the past I have denied but now accept and do not hide. Damo never got past me denying it, even when I openly admitted it. Maybe it was my fault for not admitting my bias in the first place, maybe it was his for not realizing that people can change... He began to think every little thing I said was biased, even when some of the time it wasn't.
4. Why are you still using the Aimee Dent persona? Surely now that you have been revealed it's time to move on to a new secret identity so you can continue to harass innocent people?
4. Obviously you like using selective quotation to skew peoples' words. Let me post the rest of that 'accusation' that you conveniently left out.
There. You can never go near another child again. But it's for your own good.
In reference to your friend, I have no doubt he was a good guy. But how is one supposed to overcome the stigma attached to such accusations, if you aren't allowed near children to prove you are a responsible, good person? How would you feel if, now that I have accused you, your friends stopped letting you near their kids, "for your own good"?
As you can see, I was clearly making a point about S.L.'s stance on false accusations...
How convenient that you deleted your own false accusations against me, so that they can't be used against you now. What point were you trying to make, Ai_mee?
5. If you will look back at your Scientology post, you will find that it is YOU who started with the slanderous talk, and started that whole debacle. All of the people that you were trying to 'expose' were defending you, when you didn't deserve defending at all. You claim that I am the one trying to start fights, when this whole thing was your fault to begin with. Everyone was having a civil, adult discussion on the topic before you started insulting Morgan and degenerating the whole discussion into slander. Good job,
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sorry but, with all due respect, no there wasnt, there are no truces or lines in the sand, there are attack profiles set up every day, and attack posts and comments absolutely everywhere
and of the people who left recently, noone has claimed to do it because of Aimee, she only "came out" after they left
her absurd claims and irrationality were just holding a mirror up to the divisive behaviour of other users on the site
people need to be responsible for their own decisions, you cannot use one parody profile as a scapegoat for all the storming off on Orble
two recent departures were due to Jons new rules and reporting system, those users were dissatisfied with Orble Admin housekeeping procedures as they perceived it as censorship and inhibiting freedom
if people want to leave because they dont like the new system that is their choice, and it is a bit rich leveling all the blame at someone who had no part in their decision making process
the Aimee persona insulted me just as much (if not more) than any other user, but i was the one who chose to comment her, i thought she was absurd in her reasoning but no more absurd that many other real people floating around the site
i thought it was a clever ruse, but if you feel (or felt) harassed just report it
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I'm not going to miss him.
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noone forced Damo to comment there, noone forced anyone else to start attacking people, noone forced him to say that you (Someone) were dishonest and should be deleted, and hes said much the same thing to you on his own blog so its not like he needed any extra motivation
in Damos final post he stated he was leaving because of a disagreement with Jon
he then went to the Writers Forum and placed an addendum on an old post of his which stated he was through with Orble because of Jons supposed "purging" of writers he was friendly with . . . the post has since been removed by Admin
everyone should just be responsible for their own behaviour and own words, we are all adults, noone is forced to lash out and be antisocial, a bit of personal accountability would go a long long way
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I liked Damo, he was helpful to me about the site, so was Nevar and quite few more of you. There are so many of you whom I shall miss - I barely got to know you and I truly regret that.
I just believed Aimee Dent was Aimee Dent, a persuasive, skilled writer new on the site. I responded to what I saw as a flight of 'harpies' tag-teaming.
It seems I was naive in assuming the above. I said so on Aimee's expose post -
Would you recognise a parody of yourself?
I can't access the URL now to see if I may need to reply to a response on my original comment.
Either I have been given the "Ignore" button, or it got taken off by someone.
Either way, its a cheap shot. "hit-and-run" tactics.
"Macca" comments. "U-want-fries-with-that?"
Lis.
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harpies? thats a new one . . .
whatever happened to Faustian Communist Dawkinites?
it amazes me how noone can see the difference between civil on-topic questioning about a specific issue, and irrelevant personal attacks and unprovoked aggression
why can so few people see the distinction?
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I do think you are a little misguided in leaving Aimee blameless for this whole debacle, but I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. For example, why falsely accuse me of sending threatening messages (which s/he still refuses to comment on)? That served no other purpose than to stir up shit....
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look im happy to agree to disagree, but i might as well answer your last question
well its part of the joke, isnt it?
the people she was parodying routinely make false accusations for no reason other than to baselessly slander writers with opposing politics
maybe you are just not seeing the funny side because you dont consider the people being parodied as absurd as i do
she replicated their antics so precisely, it really was a work of art
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Aimee sent a PM to me, saying that she wanted to be my friend, but she had tried sending a friend request to me and it had failed. I would not have sent a friend request to her otherwise, but I didn't want to be mean and say no.
What was the point of that? It certainly doesn't seem to be part of any parody. That's not holding a mirror up. That's deliberately trying to implicate people or get their email address under false pretences.
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I have never been accused like that, nor seen it done by Damo or any of the other writers on this site, save Aimee. If accusations were slung around, at least some semblance of providing evidence was put forward.
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Who is about?
Don't bother answering Mr Dame Damo has left the building.
I also don't like cry baby dummy spits.
perhaps his issues with you were a contributing factor in his decision to leave?
not that i disagree with the points you made in that post, but surely you can see even you played a part in angering the man
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My issue here isn't with the parody itself... it's with Aimee Dent, and the way this whole situation occurred. 'She' behaved worse than I have seen anyone on this site behave... that's doesn't make her a parody.
Accusing me of being biased, that I get. Accusing me of a specific act, of sending threatening messages, what is the point in that? Or of trying to get Samaritan's e-mail under false pretenses?
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Didn't you tell Damo he couldn't recognize a parody of himself? Coincidence? Guess? Or did you know?
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no he cant, none of them can, they have no self-awareness . . . they could not even recognise a parody of themselves if it was staring them right in the face like a reflection in the mirror
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Yes, it does look like Morgan from the anonymous comments above.
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Natalina here, not anonymous, btw. Why the heck would someone attack Cheryl like that? "Aimee" seriously, pick your battles dude. Are you planning on fighting with everyone?
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Cheryl didn't say anything out of line. I think she was making a comment that many people are feeling right now. Why maintain the identity of Aimee Dent now that you've clearly shown that there is no such person?
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more of a guess, its called Poe's Law, it is almost impossible to distinguish a right wing extremist from a parody of a right wing extremist . . . i mentioned several times that Aimee was parroting exact phrases that other right wingers on the site use . . . either she was a parody or she had no original thought, on this site both options are equally likely
hi Cheryl,
no i did not create the Aimee Dent profile
i was responding to Ruby saying "you really can't see yourself", combined with events of late proving some bloggers had little or no self-awareness
ive often wondered (or hoped) that The Political Brief and MyApologetics were parody sites, as it is hard to believe anyone in the modern western world could still hold such bigoted opinions of certain minority groups
in the end i didnt really care if Aimee was a parody or not, her posts expressed anti-gay views and anti-scientology views, and they sat on the homepage for days . . . i wanted to provide a counter-point for her readers and did so without flouncing off in a hissy fit or degenerating into personal insults
hi Someone,
whether she was worse or not is a matter of personal opinion, she did seem to be a watered-down amalgamation of several other writers, which ironically enough were the exact same set of writers who instantly flocked to her defense . . . when you saw them side by side in a comments section Aimee actually seemed the more restained
i can think of two recent instances of a writer making unfounded claims, one was a claim of being hacked (which never happened, but the claims were never retracted), and another was a claim of me instructing Jon to ban or "purge" people . . . oh and another blogger recently accused me publicly of attacking their family, completely fabricated . . . im sure if you thought about it you could recall many incorrect accusations being bandied about
those same writers often parodied my own posts, remember Bung Nuns (now removed) or Enhanced Male Ejaculation: A New Science? i have seen Ruby posts being parodied, and i have seen her parody others . . . even i parody people . . . theres a couple of Jesus profiles floating around that i suspect are parody . . . its not a crime
as for people giving Aimee their email address, i would advise people concerned about privacy to be weary of any blogging persona that pops up telling you exactly what you want to hear . . . call it paranoia or caution . . . Aimee was on this site for less than a week, and, might i add, acting completely insane, why would you give someone like that your email?
why would you write response posts to her? noone forced you, you could have just left it with Jon, but you chose not to
ill say it again, we all need to be accountable for our own choices, whether it be in the process of vetting friends or chastising opponents, look before you leap
if you see something that looks like a dummy profile and you have no tolerance for practical jokes, then just steer clear of it
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look im just going to have to agree to disagree with you on whether parody profiles are good humour or not
i totally condemn the way that anonymous just spoke to Cheryl, there is no need for it
i can only say again that i am not behind Aimee Dent, if that anonymous was the same user behind the Aimee Dent profile i think it just shows their penchant for parroting
ive noticed the Aimee Dent profile has been banned so that anonymous comment could be anyone, but i assure you it was not me
i dont know if thats what you were trying to imply, i apologise if i jumped the gun, just wanted to clear that up
also the Aimee post where i responded to you and Cheryl was removed before i had a chance to return to it, so if either of you responded i never saw it
thats the last im going to say on this whole issue in comments on Orble, but you are always welcome to send me an email if you have something else to say
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If you aren't ashamed of your parody then own up to who you are.
Yes many people parody other works. Such is the case when Jon Stewart or Tina Fey do. But the reason their parodies are successful is that everyone is in on the joke from the beginning. I don't imagine anyone of that calibre of talent would actually try and pretend to be the person they are parodying for the purposes of deception. This did. That's the difference between true humour and a bad attempt at it.
My question is, if someone held a mirror up to you, would you recognise yourself? Highly unlikely. You, as you have blamed others of doing, are far too caught up in yourself to ever recognise that you do the exact same thing you are accusing the others of doing. And just like them, for the most part, it is so transparent.
Yes you successfully fooled people into believing you were an actual person but I'm afraid your idea of humour is the equivalent of a 9th grader's. You don't even really understand the concept.
Come out come out wherever you are. Why on earth do you feel it necessary to hide your real identity? That's the only amusing part of it. You don't have the balls to be accountable. Take your credit if you think you were so clever or face the music if it has backfired. You,and your little "parody" was more cowardly than any of the people you targeted. They may have some ridiculously insane ideas and be bigoted but at least they put their name to what they write.
Ooh, go bang a football team. Well that's a clever retort. Did it take you all morning to come up with that little gem? I quake in the presence of your witty repartee.
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You are eitehr a current or former writer for the site, you made that clear. So why not give your former or present pseudonym to claim your so called little victory.
I have no problem with the fact that I didn't know the Aimee identity was fake. I'm not at all upset by anyone writing under any name they choose. What I took exception to, and still do, is the fact that you sought out people to befriend on the site and the only reason to do this would be to either obtain their email addresses or try and get them to say something private so you could dish the dirt. The fact that you can't see that not as parody but a childish attempt at hurting people proves to me you are either very cruel or very simple minded. Or perhaps both. A more dangerous combination I couldn't think of.
I did not say Morgan was behind it, I said by the anonymous comment it certainly looked that way. And please don't try and think everyone is stupid. Your little PS actually makes her look more like she was a party to it than the other way around. You doth protest too much. If she wasn't aware of it then it's a shame she was caught up in your little game as her reputation is being dragged through the mud as much as Alt-Ed's if the PMs that are flying thick and fast about the site are anything to go by.
Alt-ed, Mau Medellin, Aimee and Morgan all connected - that's the news online. And it would probably leave you incredibly surprised to find out by whom. You have managed to create a scenario where people with more left-wing leanings are defending those of the right that they never would have before and alienating people that were actually on what you perceive as "your side". If your intention was to lean people even further in that direction then job well done.
Plus, keep a little file about what you are writing about lest you lose track. Saying things like
For goodness sake grow up. If you honestly think very many people here are applauding your efforts then you live in an insulated little bubble.
I don't stamp my little feet., I prefer to dance.
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Aside from that, what is it really? Aimee set up a profile and behaved in a way that was no worse than so many others on here have behaved. The only difference is they meant it and Aimee (I presume) did not.
For those of you who say that no-one flung insults or accussations the way Aimee did, I say wait until you see posts aimed at yourself with titles like "Rancid RubySoho" and "Scum". Wait until you get comments insulting deceased members of your family. Wait until you get called everything from a foul mouthed bigot to a lying terrorist to a baby hating murderer.
These are just the names that have been levelled at me by the people whose departure you are lamenting and some of their friends who are still on this network. I am not gay so at least I was able to avoid the barrel of fun that would have been.
These people followed me from post to post insulting and demeaning me and 'warning' other users about me. Even Aimee was 'warned' by Damo. How's that for irony? I tried to ignore them for as long as possible. But I have my limits and eventually I fought back. And all that did was earn me a reputation as a 'stirrer'.
I don't think it matters what other persona Aimee has or had on Orble. But that some of you are attacking her whilst simultaneously defending those who flocked to her in admiration is just unbelievable.
As Morgan said, if they didn't like what AImee was saying, if they didn't agree with her and support the way she spoke to all dissenting opinions on her blog, then they would never have defended her the way they did.
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I was not asked for my email address. Aimee asked me to be her friend, and then said she got an error message when she tried to add me. It was only after I sent the friend request, that I realised she would now have my email.
Also, to defend someone does not mean you necessarily agree with them. I defended Ruby on her Epicurus post. That doesn't make me an atheist. I defended Someone on one of Damo's recent posts. I don't defend people because I like what they're saying. I defend people because I care about others. And Jesus never said only to love the people whose opinions you agree with.
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Honestly, I didn't have you in mind when I wrote my comment above. You may not have shown support for what Aimee was actually saying but there were plently of others who did.
I don't know whether it was her point of view or whether it was enough for them that we disagreed with her. But quite suddenly she became the most popular girl on Orble. And we were the 'harpies' trying to shut her down or 'purge' her as a certain someone would say. Surely, surely that tells you all something
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Egads! Has the censor-demon struck again? Someone alert Damo!
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More like techno glitch not deletion.
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Did 'Aimee' insult you on her blog? I thought someone commented here and then the comment was removed?
Still, I like the idea of a little censorship-demon. Or maybe a censor-gremlin. I like to think he'd look like this
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I like your demon, he's like a Smurf on acid
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Why don't you all go back to real blogging and posting and give this "Dent" person a good 'boot-in-the-bum' and let her brief memory disappear down the plug-hole.
I was totally sucked in, and I 'tip my hat' to a very clever manipulator. Such is Life!
Win some, lose some. Big Deal.
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Besides, if my allegations about Ms. Dent's true identity are correct, as many people as possible should be made aware of their antics. This isn't the first time that particular individual has caused an uproar on Orble, and I doubt it shall be the last.
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Who cares! - it is last week's punch of the week.
The world is full of 'shit' stirrers.
Get over it.
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Besides, what's the harm in discussing it? If you don't see the point... then don't. No one is forcing you to read or comment here.
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No one forced you to comment on my blogs either, punk!
And on that note, you could try showing Lis a little more respect - it's very unbecoming to shout obscenities from an ivory tower.
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No shit, sherlock. If you will cast your mind back, did I once say that you shouldn't be debating the topics of your posts? No. There's a difference between criticizing somebody's perspective and criticizing the debate in general.
What I mean is... if you don't like somebody's answers to a question, then debate with them. If you don't like the question in the first place, then why bother reading the answers?
Oh, and you want to get into respect, huh? My, how selective be thy memory.
What more can I say?
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Didn't the other kids play with you at school? Perhaps you were too busy playing with yourself.
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I'll keep it simple, because I know some people have trouble with the whole logic and understanding thing: Man up, or fuck off.