Alexander Hine

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Though an agnostic, my Catholic upbringing compels me often to think in religious terms and, surveying the ranks and philosophy of our enemies today, I feel that urge more than ever. What drives this phenomenon called Islam? – To what and to whom do these pious submitters truly submit? - well, perhaps the answer can be found by examining one of the beautiful tales of the New Testament and comparing it with the material in the Qur’an and Hadith.
In Luke, Chapter 4, Jesus goes to the desert to face the tests and lures of Satan, from a high and desolate mountain Jesus surveys all the kingdoms the Devil might give him, spreading over the earth in a single flash of temptation. As a child I always imagined rivers of gold and jewels bursting through the sands beneath the Saviour’s feet and was disturbed and inspired by the otherworldly ferocity of his reply: “Get thee behind me Satan: for it is written; Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God.”
Get thee behind me Satan. Jesus rejected all the kingdoms of earth, and all the riches, power and glory that would accompany them because the price paid for them by a prophet would be defection to the forces of evil. For to follow God is not to seek riches and earthly power but communion with the divinity through the consecration of ourselves and the world, even at the expense of riches, property and our lives. That is the essence of the Christian message, the beating heart of a creed of such beauty and power that - despite what the radical secularists might say - our civilisation grows from it like a tree, for which Christ’s words and deeds are both the deep roots and the rich earth that feeds them.
But, enough of my raptures, let us turn to the Qur’an and the Hadith. In these we find many passages in which doing Allah’s work, particularly engaging in Jihad against unbelievers, is explicitly linked to the attainment of worldly possessions. For example, in Sura xlviii: 20 we read, “Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take” in reference to booty from war and raids. And from the Hadith we learn that Muhammad made his early living at Medina by raiding caravans and, later, by making war to expand his sphere of power and to gain greater income though Jizya (poll tax) and Kharaj (land tax). Indeed, in Sura ix: 29 this is commanded –

Fight against…those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

By the end of his life, Muhammad ruled over a miniature empire, which was extended at an incredible rate after his death by the four “rightly guided” Caliphs, subsuming two thirds of the Christian world by the 8th Century.
An even more telling example of the divergence between Christian cultural and moral norms and those of Islam is the way in which God and Allah deal with their representatives’ hardships and trials. The God of the Bible is stern with Jesus: even in that most heart-rending moment when he falls on his face in the garden and asks that the cup of death might pass from him, God’s will is given priority. In the New Testament, God’s will is never convenient but always hard – for the path of the righteous is narrow and hard to master. Allah, on the other hand, seems full of convenient revelations to suit whatever earthly lusts Muhammad might have. For example, when Muhammad is troubled by his desire for a woman who is forbidden to him, he receives this revelation:

You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper… (Sura xxxiii: 51)

Now, surveying such a prophetic career and such a god, one cannot help but be struck by sinister echoes of Luke’s Devil:

And the Devil, taking him up into a high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the Devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will give it. (Luke 4: 5-6)

I shall now give into my own temptations and venture that, perhaps, Muhammad failed this most important of tests. Faced with the Devil’s offer of grandeur, riches and power in this life (not to mention concubines and wives) at the expense of Holiness, it would appear that the Prophet of Islam proclaimed “Get thee before me Satan”.
Controversial though I know it is, I feel forced to this conclusion – that, whether conceived in metaphysical or earthly terms, Muhammad represents something inimical to the moral foundations of our society; he is a partisan of darkness. This thought, painfully arrived at, should cast new and stark light on the ever-widening rivers of blood amassing at the borders between “the religion of peace” and the rest of us. The terrorists are not some rogue strain, an abrogation from a peaceful and tolerant religious tradition founded by a Christ-like, if somewhat more down-to-earth, “prophet for our time”. Rather, they are the legitimate inheritors of a tradition founded by a bandit and warlord (1), with a legacy of aggressive warfare from the conquest of the old Christian world to the siege of Vienna to the resurgence of Jihad today, made so shatteringly explicit in that haunted image of our time: two towers sailing toward earth, filled with screams and fire.



The religious element in modern terrorism is, by now, too obvious to be ignored – even a number of staunch leftists, like Christopher Hitchens, have come around to the fact that terrorism is not some revolt of the oppressed masses, but an expansionist religious movement inherently at odds with free and civilised societies. However, there are still bastions of what can only be called wilful ignorance in our intellectual culture whose hatred of the West seems to be so great that even terrorist actions against us are, for them, merely an outgrowth of our own sinful nature. The persistence and apparently unshakeable nature of such views was crystallised for me by an exchange I had recently with Kevin Childs, the editor of the Australian Rationalist. In June of this year, Childs wrote an article (Australian Rationalist, June 2008, No. 80) giving warm endorsement to Robert Fisk’s claim that “[t]here is no connection between Islam and “terror”. But there is a connection between our occupation of Muslim lands and “terror.”’ Naturally, I found that all a little too much to swallow and so I wrote a detailed letter in response outlining the continuity of Jihad throughout Muslim history, starting with Muhammad, and pointing out that the Mujahideen today speak of their goals not in terms of ending Western military operations in Iraq or Afghanistan, but of re-establishing the Caliphate and extending Islamic rule over the entire globe. In responding to my letter, Childs conceded that there is an Islamic element in terrorist thinking, but he quickly retreated to a more comfortable place by asserting that the Mujahideen represent a “perversion” of Islam that, you guessed it, came about as a response to Western actions in the Middle East. This implies a mind boggling reverse causation, by which Western actions today somehow forced Muhammad to declare war on all non-Muslims and coerced the four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence into agreeing that war was legitimate against all peoples who refused to convert to Islam or accept its political dominion over them.(2) It also reveals the irrational, quasi-religious nature of the kind of anti-Western sentiments held by people like Fisk, Chomsky and, it would seem, Kevin Childs. For them, it is not enough to make reasoned criticisms of Western policies or call for genuine reforms in areas where these might be appropriate. No, for them the West - and especially America - is, in fact, the root of all evil - the “Great Satan”, as a prominent promoter of Islamic “peace” might put it.
Now, the reason for my veering off from the exegetical imaginings with which I began into the sniping character assassination above is that I feel there is a real danger that the views of Childs and his ilk might lead us into a false sense of security. A feeling that the enemies we face aren’t really a threat to our civilisation – Edward Said would say that there is no real difference between our civilisations anyway – but rather, something like our own shadow, a Hyde to our Jekyll. A feeling that the real conflict is not a basic cultural one in which we must be resolute and strong, both culturally and militarily, but rather a conflict with our own “Islamophobia”, in which our basic cultural and biological survival instincts should be subsumed to a blurry multicultural “story” about the world, in which the West’s right to assert and defend it’s sovereignty and culture have no coherent place.
The relevance of my comparison of Jesus with Muhammad to all this is that it illuminates a fact that we forget at our own peril: Islam and Western culture are not interchangeable systems just as good or bad as one another. The emancipation of women, the abolition of slavery, universal human rights, democracy, capitalism, modern science and scores of other incredible advances in human life and society which we take for granted are not just ghostly entities that will attach themselves to whatever culture happens to set itself up on our shores. Rather, they are the products of a long and rich cultural tradition, Judeo-Christian in origin, which is quite unmatched in human history. The kind of hypersensitive, self-critical and tolerant frame of mind taken to such extremes by Kevin Childs is made possible by the very inheritance he and others seem so keen to disparage. If our society falls to Islam – and if you think that is impossible, cast your eye to Europe – that which replaces it will not just be Western democracy plus a few hijabs, but a completely foreign and deeply totalitarian system of government. A system of government and culture that, unlike ours, would reward people like Fisk and Chomsky not with praise and awards, but with beheading.
There are legitimate debates to be had about what our tactics should be in this war against radical Islam – the suggestion going around some websites that we should nuke Mecca is a little beyond the pale, in my view – but there is simply no debate that we are at war with a global ideological movement based on the Qur’an, the Hadith and Islamic imperialist tradition. There should also be no debate that, faced with this threat, even radicals would be insane not to realise that now is the time to hop on board with the Great Satan, or else start saving their pennies for the Jizya


(1) I must point out that I am not trying to reduce Islam to a simple “religion of terrorism”. There is much of value in the varied and long history of Islam – in poetry, philosophy, music, art, architecture etc. What I am trying to point out is that within this rich history there is a strain of violent Jihad and that modern day Islamic terrorists can justifiably be seen as the inheritors of this tradition, even if they have perhaps failed to absorb the more noble and humane aspects of Islamic civilization.

(2) See Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani, Ibn Taymiyya, al-Mawardi, Ibn Khaldun, al-Ghazali etc.
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Words of Wisdom (LINK)

July 24th 2008 01:13
I have been reading a fair few articles by and interviews with Ibn Warraq and I want to test out one of his hypotheses. Warraq believes that, in large part because of the legacy of Edward Said, Western academics, journalists and commentators more generally find it difficult to criticise Islam and that “charges of "Islamophobia" are hurled at those who dare to criticize that most criticizable of all religions.”(1) To see if this really is the case I have been putting up posters that could be seen as critical of Islam around my neighbourhood with my email attached, to see what kind of responses I might get. Here is a selection of the posters (they look boring here, they have pretty fonts and whatnot in real life) - I would be fascinated to hear your responses to them:


Words of Wisdom from the Religion of Peace:

Sura iv: 34 - Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, & because they spend of their property (for the support of women).
So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that
which Allah hath guarded.


As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them & banish them to beds apart; and beat them.

Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.

1.3 billion Muslims can’t be wrong!



Words of Wisdom from the Religion of Peace:

Sura v: 51 - Believers! take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another.
Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers.

Sura iv: 101 - The unbelievers are your sworn enemies.

Sura lx:4 - We renounce you (i.e. the idolaters): enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah
only…



1.3 billion Muslims can’t be wrong!



Words of Wisdom from the Religion of Peace:

Sura ix: 5-6 - "Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them."

Sura viii: 12 - "I will instill terror into the hearts of the Infidels, strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every fingertip."

Sura viii: 39-42 - "Say to the Infidels: If they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients!
Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's."


1.3 billion Muslims can’t be wrong!



Words of Wisdom from the Religion of Peace:

Prime Minister Mahathir, to the 10th Islamic Summit Conference, 2003:

The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them…
They invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong; so they may enjoy equal rights with others…
Of late because of their power and their apparent success they have become arrogant. And arrogant people, like angry people will make mistakes, will forget to think.
They are already beginning to make mistakes…There may be windows of opportunity for us now and in the future.
We must seize these opportunities.


1.3 billion Muslims can’t be wrong!



Words of Wisdom from the Religion of Peace:

Sura ix: 29 - Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden , and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.

Muhammad to his followers:

“Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

(from the biography of the prophet by Ibn Ishaq.)


1.3 billion Muslims can’t be wrong!



So, what do you think of these. Are you offended? and if so, are you offended by what I’ve done or the way I’ve presented these quotes, or by the quotes themselves?

I would be interested to know, I want to believe that Ibn Warraq is wrong about people in the west, I want to believe that we do have the balls to defend our own culture and criticise others’ when they encourage violence, misogyny and hatred. Now, before you get any big ideas – I am not attacking Muslims. You might have noticed that in the posters, I make no comments on the texts, I simply present them to the audience. This is so that I can see what it is that offends people – if it is the text itself, then their problem is with the Qur’an and other Islamic sources, if it is with me or the way I have presented the texts – then they’ll have to explain what exactly I have written that is offensive. Now, the “1.3 billion Muslims can’t be wrong” line might be taken as offensive, but it is just a comic touch and, in fact, is either true (if one believes in the Qur’an, then Muslims aren’t wrong) or it is ironic (coming, as it does, after an offensive piece of text and obviously implying its own opposite).

Well, let’s see what people be saying, thinking, drinking. Give me your answers and your dancers. Throw at me opinions and womens….was that a stretch? Oh yes! No Rhyme!

A. Hine

(1) Ibn Warraq, in Jamie Glazov, Defending the West, from www.frontpagemagazine.com <accessed 22nd of July, 2008>

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Too long have I been gone! Immersed in the petty theiveries of my ideological constructs by my own inquiries! Anyways!

I have been gone a long time, working, writing music, reading about science, Israel, conquest, myth, Pan-Arabic imperialism and a million other things. I plan on making a real return soon with articles about these things and more - GM Foods and the Idiots that Fear Them is a potential title to look out for.

But for now, be satisfied with this letter to the editor (written under a pseudonym) of the Australian Rationalist Journal, in response to his bold assertion that terrorism has everything to do with Western actions in the Middle East and nothing to do with Islam.


I am writing in response to Kevin Childs’ article, Failing to learn from history (Australian Rationalist Journal, June 2008). There was much in this article with which I took issue but I shall deal here with the statement, made by Robert Fisk and endorsed by Childs, that “[t]here is no connection between Islam and “terror””. Though I agree with Childs’ assessment of the Iraq war as immoral, I find his assertion that terrorism is connected to Western actions but not to Islam surprising in a magazine priding itself on rationality. Western policies are indeed used to excuse terrorism by Jihadis, and aggressive policies naturally create resentment, but to assert that it is Western actions alone that lead to terrorism is demonstrably false.
I’m sure Mr. Childs will at least agree that we cannot blame the murder of thousands in New York in 2001 on the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, I imagine he can cast his mind back to the seventh century when Muhammad proclaimed “I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah’”, or perhaps Mr. Childs might concede that the men who sawed off Nicholas Berg’s head chanting ‘Allahu akbar’ had some religious motivation. Or he could explain why terrorist leaders themselves discuss their projects in religious terms. In an interview in 2005 Ridda Sayyan (a suspected terrorist) said:

[F]or more than a thousand years Islam ruled the world…capitalism will fall soon, we offer the alternative: an Islamic program. But the West is not willing to try it…

Asked by his interviewer if he approved of Bin Laden’s statements that one should kill Jews and Westerners, Sayyan replied:

Osama Bin Laden didn’t say you have to kill this or that person – the Qur’an says this…the Qur’an says…that Muslims are supposed to fight those who go against God’s will.

According to Sayyan, the terrorist groups are not reacting to Western oppression but seeking to establish an Islamic empire and Islam justifies murder to this end, thus providing both the impetus and the rationale for terrorism. Efraim Karsh’s book, Islamic Imperialism, sets forth Islam’s imperial past and argues lucidly that modern terrorism reflects a continuation of Islam’s imperialist tradition. This argument certainly seems to match the facts better than Childs’ hypothesis.
I do not contend that all Muslims harbour such beliefs – I would not be so deluded as to think that I can crystallize the views of a diverse group of people. But I do believe, and the Jihadis seem to agree with me, that contemporary terrorism is driven by Islamic beliefs and imperial ambition. The West is not perfect, but to postulate that terrorism against us is our fault is a gratuitous example of blaming the victim.
I challenge Kevin Childs to justify the claim that there is no connection between Islam and terrorism. I am open-minded and I hope that he can sway my view or at least clarify his position for me, until then – Salaam.

Joseph Tafra, Carlton, VIC
15th of July 2008


I will keep you updated on this stand-off. Kevin Childs is the editor of the Australian Rationalist Journal, so I imagine he will be a formidable adversary. I am pleased about this and look forward to some verbal sparring, victory is not sure and I may have to retreat firmly into cultural relativism under Childs' enlightened blows. But we shall see.

TTFN,
A. Hine
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Song Reviews, 2nd Edition

May 9th 2008 04:27
Well, it’s been longer than a week…but before you criticise me, recall that I really don’t care what you have to say. Well, a busy boy I’ve been – what with trying to find gainful employment, struggling to keep my sanity as the government rolls out one stupid paternalistic, mummying, shitkicking law after another and staring at visions of clouds tremulous perched on the horizon of the world. Despite these and other setbacks I have assembled another collection of songs, both esoteric and mainstream, over which to drool for your amusement and gratification. Bing.

1. Bombs Over Baghdad, Outkast, from Stankonia
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Answering Zen Analytically

May 9th 2008 04:14
I propose, in typical mode of unencumbered confidence, to solve a Zen paradox without resorting to silliness or losing my ego/rational mind. I like my ego and my rationality and see no good that could come from losing them.

‘If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound


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Charlie Smyles and the Smyles (LINK)

April 14th 2008 02:03
Bender Bar, Northcote,
4/4/2008


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Beautiful Excess

April 11th 2008 09:27
Here in the streets of Melbourne,
Or any other city – there are clouds and children
And tortured ghosts.

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Truth and Violence

April 11th 2008 02:25
The difference between Jean-Paul Sartre and Jean Prevost is clear. The latter was noble and brave, his soul “a fire that suffers if it doesn’t burn"1, the former was an ignoble coward. It seems that Prevost was also smarter – less fooled by old wives’ wisdoms, such as “the pen is mightier than the sword.” While Sartre ignored his “infinite responsibilities”2 and instead penned subtly subersive plays,3 keeping a relative peace with the Nazi/Vichy government, Prevost seized a gun, joined the resistance, and died fighting those who had occupied his beloved Paris. The pen, you see, is only mighty when backed by the sword. Nazi pens sent innocent people screaming to the camps, men’s pens, in the 19th Century, sent ‘hysterical’ women unwillingly to the madhouse, but the pens of the powerless achieve little in the Real World. It should come as no surprise that it was the tools of Jean Prevost, not those of Sartre, that stopped the Nazis – guns, bombs, knives, tanks, planes and the lost lives of American, British, Russian and Australian men and women won the war, and prevented the loss of the free west – the greatest and most fruitful civilisation the world has ever known. When it comes to fundamental a priori disagreements between cultures, violence is the true arbiter of values: in certain cases, might does make right.
A good example in the current day is the potentially endless War on Terror,* in which we find ourselves hopelessly entangled. Of course, ‘war’ can only be used euphemistically here, in rather the same way that dancing can remind us of sex, although it is not technically copulation. This is not a real war because there is no opposing army, no clear way to win, no clear objectives. The loose and hideous collective of ignorant Islamist pigsticks that downed the Twin Towers and part of the Pentagon, killed my countrymen in Bali, and splintered iconic red buses throughout London keep themselves ghostly and well-hidden, in the manner of true cowards everywhere. Perhaps it is for this reason that the Coalition of the Willing have dragged our armies and taxes away to the desert lands to fight pointless wars of aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq. In order to pretend that they are less terrified than we are of our invisible and ruthless enemies. To pretend that this is just another war, and to quench the powerful lusts – born from vivid midnight visions of gold, oil, ancient crusades, and the tight, trimmed quims of exotic beauties – that torment their souls.
But I digress. If this War on Terror ever became bona-fide; if the bearded, effeminate Bin Laden ever raised a true army – disciplined, determined, and brave enough to fight with valour, as did their Islamic ancestors, in open combat. If this happened, some interesting questions and possibilities would arise. The first question, of course, is to do with me, and those like me. I am a writer, a peace lover, a liberal – I support tolerance over hatred, debate over violence, understanding over ignorance and a thousand other chic intellectual positions. And yet, if this strange and, at times, hideous society in which I dwell came under serious attack I like to think that I would follow the path of Prevost, and fight with all my strength to destroy those who would crush me and mine. Throw away words like ‘dialogue’, ‘multi-culturalism’, ‘non-violence’ and adopt the Philosophy of Horror, so eloquently espoused by a madman in Apocalypse Now. “The will…perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure…to utilise (the) primordial instincts to kill without feeling, without passion, without judgement.“

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I just finished reading a truly disturbing article on the Canadian news site canoe.ca.
It seems that a summit of Muslim leaders have decided to launch a legal assault on the very foundations of free speech and freedom of expression. Such is the small mindedness of these decisions that "Muslim leaders are attempting to demand redress from nations like Denmark, which allowed the publication of cartoons portraying the Prophet Muhammad." Cartoons. They want to take legal action against free western nations for cartoons which they found offensive.
I trust in the strength of democratic governments not to cave in to this kind of idiocy, but I write this article in earnest entreaty of my fellow countrymen, and others in the west, not to let this kind of insidious horse-shit take hold of your minds and start to seem fair and liberal, don't let it start to seem 'tolerant.' It is the opposite of tolerance. It is sometimes easy, in a time where Muslims and Islam are often caricatured and treated unfairly in public perception, to think that maybe it would be okay to censor ourselves just a little, to not be so offensive - to hold certain things sacred - but therein lies the danger! We cannot and should not self-censor under pressure. Self-censorship out of fear is the first step towards legal censorship. If we allow ourselves to say that one thing is too sacred to make fun of, - say the Prophet Muhammad - even to the point of protecting it by law, then we open the floodgates for the realignment of church and state, and for the loss of any true free speech that we have.

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Song Reviews - First Edition

April 4th 2008 00:27
I’ve decided that, in the fine tradition of narcissism that pervades the internet, I will share with you, each week, reviews of 10 of my favourite songs. From all eras, genres and etcetera. Hopefully you will find them enjoyable and, perhaps, I will even point you towards something new that delights you and causes you to send me fragrant gifts through the outdated “solidmail” system that some of us still cherish.

1. It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue, as performed by Van Morrison on the Basquiat soundtrack, originally composed by Bob Dylan
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Alright. We probably just differ on matters of degree. I don't think that Europe has been totally conquered by Islam, only that it is very quickly becoming Islamized. I never said that Christianity created women's rights (though many of the early suffragettes were devout Christians), only that equal rights for women (fully realised or not), is something that has only been attempted in Western societies (ie. those with a Judeo-Christian heritage). Yes, of course I grant that the church often stood in the way of women's rights, movements (most obviously on abortion) but that's really besides the point, as I never claimed that it didn't.

Glad to have disturbed you

A. Hine

I'm confused. Are you critiquing my use of the word "emancipation" on some sort of technical linguistic grounds (I'm not sure how specific its meaning is), or do you actually deny the progress that women in the West have made in gaining equal political rights with men?

As for the "fall" of Europe, your scare quote are appropriate, as I am actually referring to a metaphorical "conquest" as outlines in Bat Ye'or or, more polemically, Mark Steyn.

Regards,
A. Hine

Comment by Alexander Hine
on 60 Years of Israel

August 1st 2008 04:24
I never said you called me eurocentric, just that you were fond of doing so to others.

Once again western ethnocentrism rears its ugly head, oh you foreigners, why can't you just accept it when we invade your countries? Who do you think you are fighting back?

You seem to be equating the empire promised to Hussein (on conditions which were not met) with a sovereign Palestinian state. The Palestinians were offered a state in 1948 but it was rejected because the Arab nations did not want to accept Israel's right to exist.

I am not neglecting, nor am I justifying, forgicing or praising, any of the massacres carried out by Irgun, Lehi or any Jewish terrorists - I don't know where you are getting that from...I didn't mention them explicitly, but why should I?
I condemn terrorism outright, whatever the cause, because it involves the deliberate tergetting of civilians with deadly force.

I wouldn't call my suspicions about Hamas 'pure' conjecture, that would imply that there was no basis for my assertions, but anyone who takes ten minutes to read about Hamas' agenda or watch a program from their TV channel will see that their aim is the destruction of Israel. If I saw real evidence, however, that Hamas would be willing to accept Israel, end terrorist activities and turn to responsible government of a Palestinian state then I would change my views.

Yes, because those pesky rocket attacks fired from Gaza have been so successful against the military might of Israel and the US.

I'll let you explain to the victims of the attacks (along with the family of a baby whose skull was crushed by a Palestinian rock thrower's stone) how ineffective these attacks are.
Have you ever noticed that in a court of law, you don't get off the hook for murder just because you've killed a big bad bully?

Childish? I prefer facetious myself.

Look, I think you just need to put these things in perspective. Irgun then doesn't justify Hamas or Islamic Jihad now - just as the Holocaust didn't justify Irgun or Lehi.

A. H.

P. S. Can you name some acts of ethnic cleanising by Israel, as in the state - not any terrorist groups? I haven't heard of any.







Comment by Alexander Hine
on 60 Years of Israel

July 28th 2008 00:44
My first paragraph was a, perhaps garbled, response to the fact that 1. You refer to “60 years of occupation”, despite the fact that the occupations began in 1967, not 1948 and 2. Your willingness to accuse anyone who brings up the Arab states violent and, sometimes, openly genocidal attacks against Israel as being ‘Eurocentric’.

Irgun’s cause was more legitimate than Hamas’ or the PLO’s because the Irgun were not seeking to destroy a sovereign state and eject or slaughter its inhabitants. I don’t really approve of Israel celebrating the bombing at the King David Hotel (is that Eurocentric?), or of any terrorist acts – especially that kill civilians. There is certainly a case to be made for the idea that the Jewish terrorist groups were disbanded at least in part, because of the establishment of the state of Israel, but we shouldn’t forget that the original division of Mandatory Palestine envisioned the creation of a Jewish and an Arab state side by side, with the Arab state being larger than the Jewish. This small non-contiguous state was accepted by Ben-Gurion etc. and rejected by the Palestinians and the Arab nations generally.

I doubt very much that Hamas would choose to recognise Israel, as this would go against there entire ethos and agenda – Hamas were formed to combat the peace process. I imagine, though of course I could be wrong, that if recognised as a negotiating party, Hamas would continue Arafat’s “phased strategy” whereby any territories gained through negotiation are used as springboards for new aggression, ad infinitum until the destruction of Israel. (I realise ad infinitum is somewhat erroneous there (just like 'somewhat' here), but let's leave that for now)

But then again, why should you listen to my Eurocentric views. I’m sure Hamas are a lovely bunch of guys and those evil Jews should just dissolve their state and go back to Russia and Germany.

A. Hine

Comment by Alexander Hine
on No more babies!

July 28th 2008 00:28
Our Father who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name

...I get it, I get it

Comment by Alexander Hine
on No more babies!

July 24th 2008 00:59
No, I get your point. "In our quest to overcome hardship, humanity has gone too far and become unthinking consumers, we are eating up resources faster than mother earth can provide, the climate is heating up and will destroy us all, the forests are disappearing, the oceans are crying, tiny lambs and Jesus are dying because of us - the only thing to do is to limit our ambition, stop having babies, stop consuming, stop driving cars, stop using evil modern medicines, stop smoking dirty cigarettes, get back to god/allah/buddha/spirituality /nature/"insert bullshit here" etc. etc. etc.

I just don't agree with the premises, I think the way forward should be innovation and change, not limitation and stagnation. And if you can't see that it comes across as slightly sick to lament the fact that war, famine and plagues don't kill enough people these days - I bet you'd cry like a baby if they found a cure for cancer! - then I don't know what to tell you.

This is getting boring, it's a matter of differing worldviews - I'm a humanist, you're an anti-humanist (though I know you think you're trying to save us) - let's agree to disagree.

Because I'm bored.

A. HIne

Comment by Alexander Hine
on 60 Years of Israel

July 22nd 2008 05:37
Ruby, you're very strange you know? If you only have a problem with the occupations, then why is your little poem about sixty years of Israeli history? And why do you think that it is valid to defend an aggressor state if you perceive them as oriental, but not if you perceive them as occidental.? Perhaps you buy into the myth that the Zionists who worked, fought and died to create a homeland for themselves in Palestine were really Imperialist agents.....

Also, you might want to look into the history of Jewish terrorism a little more - all terrorism is bad, and the Irgun cannot be excused even by the rightness of their cause, but the fact is those terrorist groups are gone now and have been for a long time - PLO, fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the A-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade and others, these groups are not going anywhere - Hamas is running the country for God's sake! And they are all committed to the destruction of Israel and the expulsion of almost its entire citizenry, except those they deem as Palestinian. You have to have some perspective in these things. Not tired cliches.

Well, I await your accusations of ethno-centrism

A. Hine

Comment by Alexander Hine
on No more babies!

July 22nd 2008 05:13
You're a sick man. Next time I see a massacre at least I'll know one person is happy.


Comment by Alexander Hine
on No more babies!

July 18th 2008 03:26
Cull ourselves?!?! Will we start with the black or the Jews...actually by the sounds of you we'd probably start with the Anglos. I know you're not suggesting that we kill people off but the fact is that's the only way to impose birth control on people. Everything in nature is linked, that's true - but it's not some kind of beautiful delicate balance, and it's not static. All we do is change it, it's always changing anyway. Human population growth is GOOD, it's a sign of how far we've come in eradicating disease and fighting (at least in richer nations) poverty and deprivation - these are things that should continue. If you want to get rid of "excess" humans, just start with yourself and I swear we'll all follow.......is there a chatroom/SMS code for crossing my fingers behind my back and laughing maniacally?

A. Hine

Comment by Alexander Hine
on No more babies!

July 16th 2008 01:23
Gaia theory, as you’re espousing it, is dead. The earth doesn’t have an immune system because the earth is not an organism – doesn’t feel, doesn’t think, doesn’t care about anything, and doesn’t “fight back”. The answer to problems like global warming isn’t limiting human endeavour or birth rates, but encouraging innovation and invention to deal with problems that may arise. Take your misanthropy and stick it up your Rainbow Mr. Reporter. Nature can do what it likes, let the people breed!

A. Hine